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  1. #4681
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    Evergrey's Avatar
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    RPR got its 500p Regen from breaking Arcane Crest reduced to 250p because it was so good.
    Breaking the crest only has a Cure Potency of 50 down from 100.
    (I'm simply reading your "p" as "potency". so sorry if I misunderstood anything.)
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  2. #4682
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    Kleeya's Avatar
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    Kleeya White
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    Shiva
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    At this point it's starting to feel like the devs are running out of ideas on how to meaningfully improve the job kits in general given that almost everything introduced in DT is either bloated potencies gated behind one/two minute cooldowns, overkill healing utility for DPS, or more mitigation/healing CD bloat for tanks/heakers.
    Could also be that SE did listen to the many players asking to have almost their entire rotation way sooner than the max level, meaning the devs can not add something revolutionary to the rotations anymore in the last 10 levels, or the forums will continue to be filled with complaints that we lose too many skills when synched under that.

    Which would be another example of players getting what they asked for, only to realize this is not the genius idea they were thinking it would be. A bit like asking for years to be able to put several skills into one button like in pvp or with these combo add-ons because "123123123 is totally the same as 111111111", and wondering after that why the devs seems to think that healers pressing 111 all the time is not a problem.
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  3. #4683
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Breaking the crest only has a Cure Potency of 50 down from 100.
    (I'm simply reading your "p" as "potency". so sorry if I misunderstood anything.)
    50 per tick X 5 ticks of regen = 250 total potency,

    it's more useful to think about the total potency of a regen since it'll usually have enough time to play out and that's the healing per ability/GCD.
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  4. #4684
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    I disagree all dps should have some kind of mitigation or heal.. like healer should have some kind of dps and tank some dps..

    But healers issue is they dont have anything other than heals + 5% of their kit into dps
    I think having a selfish mitigation is okay, but sharing mitigation especially in the form of healing is insanely dumb on DPS. If they have mitigation it should be in the form of debuffs on the boss or support like mantra to combo with the healers, my general rule on DPS and Tanks being able to heal others is it should sacrifice damage. Clemency and Improvisation (if reworked slightly) are ok for heals because you have to stop attacking to do them, the ability of being able to heal groups in oGCD heals should be a healer role exclusive thing.
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  5. #4685
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    Aurellian's Avatar
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    Aurellian D'noux
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I'm sure it's been mentioned in over 470 pages of forum, (and speaking as an AST main who keeps getting the rug pulled from under their feet every expansion) I want to feel needed in combat. The class trinity works because the core fantasy of each role is "You wouldnt be able to complete this without me" and that's simply been forgotten, or perhaps willfully ignored? AST in particular, has had several fun side mechanics beyond "Health bar go up!" and "Health bar go down!" over the years, which were really what was keeping the role fun for me.

    Maybe we could solve this by forcing Yoshi-P to make John Finalfantasy into a healer for the poster job for 7.0.
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  6. #4686
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurellian View Post
    I'm sure it's been mentioned in over 470 pages of forum, (and speaking as an AST main who keeps getting the rug pulled from under their feet every expansion) I want to feel needed in combat. The class trinity works because the core fantasy of each role is "You wouldnt be able to complete this without me" and that's simply been forgotten, or perhaps willfully ignored? AST in particular, has had several fun side mechanics beyond "Health bar go up!" and "Health bar go down!" over the years, which were really what was keeping the role fun for me.

    Maybe we could solve this by forcing Yoshi-P to make John Finalfantasy into a healer for the poster job for 7.0.
    make him a scholar since non of the scions are scholars and then theyll have to make a cgi model of seraphism and realise how dumb it looks.
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  7. #4687
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    Skully's Avatar
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    Remillia Ori
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    Moogle
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Man i wish back when Shadowbringers came out we Tanks would have been that Vocal when Square Enix removed everything that was fun and destroyed Dark Knights while doing it.

    They won't listen anyway. As Cynical that sounds.
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    People say WoW players only start with Shadowbringers....
    Ohh if they knew...

  8. #4688
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    Sani2341's Avatar
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Skully View Post
    Man i wish back when Shadowbringers came out we Tanks would have been that Vocal when Square Enix removed everything that was fun and destroyed Dark Knights while doing it.

    They won't listen anyway. As Cynical that sounds.
    TBF healers have been complaining about this litteraly since Shadowbringer patchnotes dropped.

    We're just finally done enough to throw one last hail mary before admitting defeat and moving on to greener pastures. Be those other Roles in FFXIV or other games all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

  9. #4689
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    I disagree all dps should have some kind of mitigation or heal.. like healer should have some kind of dps and tank some dps..
    Do Second Wind and Bloodbath no longer count? Or Manaward, Radiant Aegis or Vercure?
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  10. #4690
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Some healing is fine, nobody was wall-pulling off Solid Barrel or Second Wind,

    it's the increasing trend of giving fat AoE heals on 30/60s cooldowns to both tanks and DPS and adding sizable heals to tank short mits that's like, what are we supposed to do now?
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