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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    The other thing is, consider the optics of it, if you're wanting to participate in the strike but do so by outright refusing to heal while in content, causing deaths by doing so, it'll jade non-healer players' opinions of the strike. It's like protesters using vandalism to get their point across: yes, they make good points, but they're a public nuisance/destroying things (a crime in itself), and so it just causes everyone to ignore the points they're trying to make, and think of them as 'vandals with too much time on their hands, throw the lot of 'um in jail and throw away the keys, etc'

    Plus, if the point is that 'Tanks can do the content without Healers because they have so much selfsustain', then you'd be damaging the 'strike' and its effectiveness by queueing up in the first place. Once that WAR is in the dungeon, they can finish it because of Bloodwhetting/SIO/Nascent Flash/Equilibrium. The point is to prevent them from starting the content in the first place, by reducing the number of Healers in the queue (and adding more Tanks/DPS to the queue) so it takes players longer to get in

    It will be interesting to see if SE sees the metrics shift, only to come to the conclusion of 'wow Trusts are super popular this expansion!'
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    Edmund_Blackadder's Avatar
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    Lux Shadowheart
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    Paladin Lv 99
    Whilst I support the strike, queuing up as healer and then refusing to heal your team resulting in their deaths is a form of griefing in my opinion and that is not cool.
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund_Blackadder View Post
    Whilst I support the strike, queuing up as healer and then refusing to heal your team resulting in their deaths is a form of griefing in my opinion and that is not cool.
    Yeah please don't do this. This is not what the strike aims to promote and is indeed behaviour that ruins other people's games (as opposed to just not queueing as a healer).
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    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    refusing to heal is 100% against tos
    Depends on your answer when being questioned by GM

    It will be a ban if you straight up say “healer design sucks so I refuse to heal to prove my point.”

    But it’s possible to get away with it if you say “the game isn’t accessible enough and I still find healer with two damage buttons too difficult and may cause anxiety to people with conditions like me.”

    It’s very unlikely to ban people that play the game wrong. You couldn’t possibly know their intentions if they have silver tongue. Just like you can’t ban people for not pulling PVP actions to their hot bars during PVP. You wouldn’t know if they’re trolling or not.
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    Depends on your answer when being questioned by GM

    It will be a ban if you straight up say “healer design sucks so I refuse to heal to prove my point.”

    But it’s possible to get away with it if you say “the game isn’t accessible enough and I still find healer with two damage buttons too difficult and may cause anxiety to people with conditions like me.”

    It’s very unlikely to ban people that play the game wrong. You couldn’t possibly know their intentions if they have silver tongue. Just like you can’t ban people for not pulling PVP actions to their hot bars during PVP. You wouldn’t know if they’re trolling or not.
    Yes and no.

    The thing is you can still find the gameplay overwhelming, but someone who finds the gameplay overwhelming is going to have pretty concrete evidence of healing. Even in times where people decide to wall pull in Ruby Sea after first boss, or in Doma Castle and die tragically. There is still going to be evidence of healing.

    If someone isn't healing whatsoever then it isn't because they find the hit overwhelming or get anxious, it is because you aren't bothering.

    A GM isn't going to ask you questions about your experience. They are flat out going to teleport you out of the world, into a little box where they tell you what the evidence shows and won't ask what you think or why. They are then going to sanction you appropriately. Whether this is a warning or a flat out suspension.
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    Cant the GM look at the logs and see what skills the players have used?
    I wonder how much cure 1 spam they see and have to figure out if it's trolling or someone trying to get a freecure
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    Jets Down
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    Refusing to do the job you sign up for in content is not helpful or supportive to healerstrike cause at all, not playing healer role full stop is fine, but refusing to heal while remaining playing a healer is just griefing.

    Don’t do this

    You are only making yourself look worse.
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    Sahja Lunis
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    Sophia
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Just adding my name to the list.
    I've been a WHM and Healer main since ARR and honestly it's been dull. I have found myself nodding off and running against walls mid dungeon, it's that bad.
    I will not be playing Healer in DT outside Trust dungeons to complete the MSQ.
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    That was supposed to be Sage but it ended up being one specific mechanic that has no interaction beyond putting up Dance Partner at the start of an instance
    Holy paladin from wow does the whole DPS Healer thing better
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    Lux Shadowheart
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Holy paladin from wow does the whole DPS Healer thing better
    I can see why you would say that but I would disagree, Holy Paladin is just poorly designed the whole "melee healer" build that Blizzard forced many players into in Shadowlands vs the traditional ranged Hpal was a bad choice you had people crying for a reason - your melee abilities generate HP and HP = free heals, sure you can use CS on the boss and generate 3 HP in 18 seconds for a free word of glory which is a decenist heal, but most heal builds for HPal were focused around Barrier of Faith Beacon of Virtue and Blessings of Summer build in raids and Holy Prisim and Beacon of Virtue in M+ Dungeon content.

    The only time a HPal would actually be an actual melee healer would be within the short window of Avenging Crusader talent.

    Discipline priest is the only real DPS healer in WOW owing to how atonement works in the game - you heal players with your atonement buff for a % of damage done.
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