#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Niroken]

You know what- perhaps just don't interject on discussion you aren't part of, especially when it's clear you're just looking to start a fight. It's rude and unbecoming of you.

Agreed, it was not my discussion. I do apologize for the rudeness. When it comes to tanks lately, the discussion has lead me to be on the defensive.

Personally I never had a problem with tanks but the developers choices left me questioning their ability to balance this game properly. It's not the tank players fault, it's the developers.

[Turtledeluxe]

This whole thing is just funny as hell...
the jobs are balanced around end game and raids
clearing dungeons with any comp of jobs is doable for the most part, and has been for a very long time.
removing Raise and heals from SMN and RDM will effect nothing

The best of all, healers being "boring" is the players fault to begin with. Before hand back in ARR and HW, healers where fine balance wise between DPS and healing. Far to many complained that healing was to hard, and we are healers so we should not have to DPS and blah blah blah.... well now you dont have to and now you all want to complain about it...

This is not a FFXIV problem
This is not a dev problem
This has always been a player problem.

All you are doing is parroting Xenosys.

1. It's been going on a long time. Yeah. We know.
2. The jobs are balanced around endgame. Yes and it's unbalanced.
3. Clearing dungeons is doable blah blah. Xenosys and frankly anyone can stop with that nonsense. There is no shot in hell he would have had the same experience clearing that dungeon as easily as they did without a tank there. That's the point. Certain tanks are unbalanced. He admitted himself he could have solo'd it. So he isn't that smart I guess as he's openly contradicting himself. WAR is one of the biggest issues. A WHM couldn't solo that dungeon. So miss me with this "the game is so easy a BRD can do it" or whatever. Just stop.
4. Removing raise does nothing. It would make RDM even more unused for endgame than it already is most likely. But anyway. You're wrong.
5. It's the players fault. Well I wasn't around. If stormblood was so great, as Xenos says, for the balance of job complexity and encounter design, many people ITT agree. So change it back.

I also reject the idea that encounters can't increase in difficulty because of Gordias. So you're telling me Gordias is the only way to introduce challenge to less challenging content? I don't think that is the case and one or two of the latest trials even prove that wrong.

[Fedase]

Really do not like to post on forums, but I think it's time for my voice to be heard

As someone who played healer role in every MMO I played, FFXIV healing was so dissatisfying that I found myself phasing out from boredom and failing mechanics that way. Of course that happened during casual content, but even in Savage healers have not too much to do, the fact that our healer always called healers "Brain afk unga bunga role" should say enough. I don't think role that supposed to have responsibility supposed to be designed like that, and also I believe that there is no need for such simplicity in a game that doesn't require much from you to beat.
As for design, I think devs cling to balance to the point that it might stop them from making something interesting and fun, that isn't just about healers, but I hope devs will take more risks going onward <3

[Kayokane]

I also reject the idea that encounters can't increase in difficulty because of Gordias. So you're telling me Gordias is the only way to introduce challenge to less challenging content? I don't think that is the case and one or two of the latest trials even prove that wrong.

Barbariccia, Zeromus, Proto-Carbuncle, Hephaistos(at least Normal and Savage p1), Pandaemonium(P10). We've gotten more than a few fights in Endwalker that show the devs are at least trying to make more difficult content. I'd also argue Zodiark into that list. Maybe The Dead Ends for max level dungeons, but only because the ilevel sync makes it so WAR needs more than a basic understanding of the infinite HP combo to make it work. It's been a while since I've gotten that one with a WAR so I don't fully remember.

[WaxSw]

I've seen the Xenp video too so let's break that argument a bit:

This whole thing is just funny as hell...
the jobs are balanced around end game and raids

Yet the high end duties, even at week 1 have us spamming nukes and the healing requirements are low enough that the party can switch a healer for another job and be fine healingwise (mechanics are another story), this is something that has happened consistently on the healing role but rarely happens on any other role. Healers are not balanced for endgame.

clearing dungeons with any comp of jobs is doable for the most part, and has been for a very long time.

But contrary to tanks or dps, ditching a healer makes the runs more efficient. This is simply because they are the only role that do not provide something valuable, tanks can easily take care of the survivability of the party which enables dps to deal more damage and finish everything faster. Healers are just a safety net at best, an efficiency loss at worst and its the only role that faces that dilemma.

removing Raise and heals from SMN and RDM will effect nothing

very few people ask for the removal of those actions

The best of all, healers being "boring" is the players fault to begin with. Before hand back in ARR and HW, healers where fine balance wise between DPS and healing. Far to many complained that healing was to hard, and we are healers so we should not have to DPS and blah blah blah.... well now you dont have to and now you all want to complain about it...

This is not a FFXIV problem
This is not a dev problem
This has always been a player problem.

The devs addressed ARR feedback in HW and HW feedback in SB, it took them an expac as the longest to acknowledge and solve any feedback, 2 years at worst, but when it comes to feedback that has been given for 5 fucking years they don't do shit and told us to basically eat it up.

This is not the player's fault, this is 100% the devs fault, first because they overreact to any short of feedback and second because their absolute lack of acknowledgement and actual addressing of the issues that their overcorrection causes. Meanwhile other role's feedback is listened to the point of getting mid xpac reworks. NO ONE asked healers to become a nuke spam role with borderline vestigial utility, it was the devs that did that and refused to listen and actually react when we told them to stop

[aiqa]

But instead of actually going on strike against the 'company' you 'work for' you are instead going 'back to work' in a different position, at the same company, bravo. Playing a different role if you aren't having fun is all well and good, but you should at least realize why people are laughing at and heckling the 'Strike.'

I don't care if someone is so set in their ways they believe a strike is only strike if it follows a framework that is used for union strikes at a job. I already knew many people are not overly smart, I didn't need to be made aware of that.

But it's not all bad. It provided me a few moments of fun imagining how people like that would respond to a hunger strike "but... but... company... work... union... and you still drink water!... wait a minute! this isn't a real strike!".

[HighlanderClone]

This whole thing is just funny as hell...
the jobs are balanced around end game and raids
clearing dungeons with any comp of jobs is doable for the most part, and has been for a very long time.
removing Raise and heals from SMN and RDM will effect nothing

The best of all, healers being "boring" is the players fault to begin with. Before hand back in ARR and HW, healers where fine balance wise between DPS and healing. Far to many complained that healing was to hard, and we are healers so we should not have to DPS and blah blah blah.... well now you dont have to and now you all want to complain about it...

This is not a FFXIV problem
This is not a dev problem
This has always been a player problem.

As a healer main, you all need to go outside and touch some grass fr. I will not be striking, but I encourage you to do so so my ques in DF are faster. Thanks o7

If you're willing to ragequit because your feelings got bruised in a video game because a skilled tank didn't need a healer, you're the problem. Not the tank.

[Oizen]

what level of consumerism do you have to reach to say "its not the devs fault its our fault"

bro we dont patch the game lmao

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Gatekeeping what a strike is to argue semantics is certainly the most interesting approach to the healer strike, attention is attention though, one of my Panda normal raid runs mentioned it in chat.

[Kayokane]

I don't care if someone is so set in their ways they believe a strike is only strike if it follows a framework that is used for union strikes at a job. I already knew many people are not overly smart, I didn't need to be made aware of that.

But it's not all bad. It provided me a few moments of fun imagining how people like that would respond to a hunger strike "but... but... company... work... union... and you still drink water!... wait a minute! this isn't a real strike!".

more a hunger strike but being caught eating a hamburger, but sure let's go with that...