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    Quote Originally Posted by Erzaa View Post
    I'm sure that's partially true, but it also comes down to experience.

    People who are experienced in something, such as seasoned players in this game, have terrible memories on the difficulties they faced when starting out. They may remember some particularly bad things that happened vividly, but they won't remember the day to day struggles.

    I see it with myself now. It's much easier to sort of see a new mechanic now and make an educated guess as to what's coming. I remember the first time I saw the hammers sprout in the Myth raid, I wasn't sure exactly what was going to happen, but I had a feeling I shouldn't be on the platform. I still didn't know it was going to push the platforms though, it was just an educated guess.

    Back then, the content may have felt harder because people were newer, jobs played different, people didn't have a handle on the game yet. Now, you've been playing so long, you've seen it all and can't be surprised by things in Normal content anymore.

    That doesn't mean a new player won't feel that massive jump in difficulty, when the game trained them one way in ARR/HW and then suddenly flips the script on them.
    Not everything is just people remembering things wrongly lol.

    The wipe rates in normal content were just far higher back then. I don't think you've ever experienced an instance timeout in an alliance raid have you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    Not everything is just people remembering things wrongly lol.

    The wipe rates in normal content were just far higher back then. I don't think you've ever experienced an instance timeout in an alliance raid have you?
    Because people were far less experienced in the game. I went into World of Darkness blind my first time, everyone said what a joke it was. I died to the eye, I died to the red/white colours, I died to the Doom, I died to slimes, I kept getting knocked out of the platform on that Anemos thingy, I died to Cerberus, I had no clue what A ads B belly or C chains meant, nothing. I must've died 20 times on my first time there. Do you imagine my first time in WoD was fun for me? It wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erzaa View Post
    Because people were far less experienced in the game. I went into World of Darkness blind my first time, everyone said what a joke it was. I died to the eye, I died to the red/white colours, I died to the Doom, I died to slimes, I kept getting knocked out of the platform on that Anemos thingy, I died to Cerberus, I had no clue what A ads B belly or C chains meant, nothing. I must've died 20 times on my first time there. Do you imagine my first time in WoD was fun for me? It wasn't.
    Maybe I'm the weird one but I enjoy going blindly into runs because the learning process is what's most fun. When I went Delubrum Reginae blind the first time during ShB I recall those moments as the most fun I've had in the longest time, and I died there so many times I almost lost all my mettle to 0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    Maybe I'm the weird one but I enjoy going blindly into runs because the learning process is what's most fun. When I went Delubrum Reginae blind the first time during ShB I recall those moments as the most fun I've had in the longest time, and I died there so many times I almost lost all my mettle to 0.
    Different mentality. I'd rather have mechanics that are easy to understand but some difficulty in getting right, instead of obscure nonsensical icons and colours that I need to guess and try over and over until it clicks what it does and then it's like, I'll never fail this mechanic ever again.

    I do prefer going in blind too however, and when it's possible I will do so, I consider looking up guides to be spoilers, if not outright cheating. But, the game's old now, people have learned the mechanics by heart by the time I got to them, and if I'm always on the floor, it just takes longer for everyone else, and I feel like I'm wasting their time, so sometimes I'll just bite the bullet, if the mechanic is really confusing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erzaa View Post
    Because people were far less experienced in the game. I went into World of Darkness blind my first time, everyone said what a joke it was. I died to the eye, I died to the red/white colours, I died to the Doom, I died to slimes, I kept getting knocked out of the platform on that Anemos thingy, I died to Cerberus, I had no clue what A ads B belly or C chains meant, nothing. I must've died 20 times on my first time there. Do you imagine my first time in WoD was fun for me? It wasn't.
    Doesnt your own example kinda prove you wrong though when you say difficulty went up over the expansions? Stuff is so much more telegraphed and gives you much more time to react now than it was in world of darkness.
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    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
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    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Doesnt your own example kinda prove you wrong though when you say difficulty went up over the expansions? Stuff is so much more telegraphed and gives you much more time to react now than it was in world of darkness.
    No, exactly the opposite. Because, what used to be obscure mechanics reserved only for raids, are now seen everywhere. That's the point. My deaths in ShB dungeons far outnumber my deaths in any dungeon up to SB.

    And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes things more fun and interesting overall, especially with the experience of knowing or identifying where I first saw a variation of said mechanic, but to argue the difficulty spike from ARR to EW isn't massive, it doesn't make sense to me.

    And to say that, seeing a cast bar, with some random title, with absolutely no telegraph until after the snapshot, gives you more time to react? Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erzaa View Post
    No, exactly the opposite. Because, what used to be obscure mechanics reserved only for raids, are now seen everywhere. That's the point. My deaths in ShB dungeons far outnumber my deaths in any dungeon up to SB.

    And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it makes things more fun and interesting overall, especially with the experience of knowing or identifying where I first saw a variation of said mechanic, but to argue the difficulty spike from ARR to EW isn't massive, it doesn't make sense to me.

    And to say that, seeing a cast bar, with some random title, with absolutely no telegraph until after the snapshot, gives you more time to react? Huh?
    Please name those obscure mechanics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    Please name those obscure mechanics?
    I explained the Berserker just a few posts ago.

    Or perhaps the flames that need to be placed on the curtains and piano?

    Or how about Matoya's Relict where you're not sure if the puddles will hurt you or you should stand on them?

    The boss that turns you into a toad with an untelegraphed aoe?

    Having to get hit by Death Ray or Apokalypsis before you understand what they actually do?

    There's tons of examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erzaa View Post
    I explained the Berserker just a few posts ago.

    Or perhaps the flames that need to be placed on the curtains and piano?

    Or how about Matoya's Relict where you're not sure if the puddles will hurt you or you should stand on them?

    The boss that turns you into a toad with an untelegraphed aoe?

    Having to get hit by Death Ray or Apokalypsis before you understand what they actually do?

    There's tons of examples.
    Berserker drops 4 rock piles on players, then immediately after places 4 stack markers. Like the only logical thing would be stack with those rock piles, since you do not want to multi-stack and there's nothing else that could probably save you.

    Mortal Flame in Lugus and puddles in Nixie are not explained well, i agree, but both boil down to experimenting with mechanics and trying to see what works and what not.

    Boss turning into a specific direction and starting casting something likely means you need to move behind it, also being turned into toad does not directly kill you since it does no damage and you cans till move while transformed, and you can clearly see the shape of the attack, so you won't (ideally) get hit the next time.

    Death Ray is that way by design. You're supposed to get hit by it, and move out of the beam, it's why it does continuous, but not immediately lethal damage.
    And if you see boss charging a massive laser and see that there are small separate spaces on the sides of the area, those are probably the safe spots to stand.

    Like all in all a lot of those require you to just pay attention and learn, like all encounters in the game, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flay_wind View Post
    Please name those obscure mechanics?
    What mechs even kill people in current dungeons? Doom, which is so rare it kills sprouts in every World of Darkness?
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