#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[tatagi]

The very first thing on the 'manifesto' is an attack on other classes. So tired of this. Fixing healers is one thing, nerfing everyone else so you can feel better about your class is another.

Does this mean if 4 healers manage to beat the mediatour dungeon you would be fine with all DPS being taken off healers? It encroaches on other roles right?

[Striker44]

Can you justify https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...=hps&class=Any? This is HPS from all jobs in a median dungeon run.

So, the healers are doing the most healing, tanks are doing second-most, and DPS are doing the least?

Genuine question - I have no idea how FFlogs works. Does it gather data from every single person playing the game, just those who have FFlogs installed, anyone in a party with someone who has FFlogs installed?

[Supersnow845]

So, the healers are doing the most healing, tanks are doing second-most, and DPS are doing the least?

Genuine question - I have no idea how FFlogs works. Does it gather data from every single person playing the game, just those who have FFlogs installed, anyone in a party with someone who has FFlogs installed?

Think about it this way, almost all the healers heal exclusively these days with AOE heals (the shield healers especially) so every heal they use is healing everyone even though they only mean to heal the tank (this is why WHM is a little lower than the other 3 because it often uses solace over rapture). Meanwhile the tanks healing is mostly focused on themselves with the exception of like shake it off

So since say SCH is at 80 and WAR is at 60 but SCH is AOE healing whole WAR is single target healing this indicates WAR is healing itself over 3 times as much as the healer is healing them. Or in other words in terms of single target healing on themself the tank is stronger than the healer on that front. That is the problem with what those logs are saying

As for your general question those are posted logs so if one person has ACT running and posts it it will show all 4 players performance but people do rarely post dungeon logs

[HighlanderClone]

Think about it this way, almost all the healers heal exclusively these days with AOE heals (the shield healers especially) so every heal they use is healing everyone even though they only mean to heal the tank (this is why WHM is a little lower than the other 3 because it often uses solace over rapture). Meanwhile the tanks healing is mostly focused on themselves with the exception of like shake it off

So since say SCH is at 80 and WAR is at 60 but SCH is AOE healing whole WAR is single target healing this indicates WAR is healing itself over 3 times as much as the healer is healing them. Or in other words in terms of single target healing on themself the tank is stronger than the healer on that front. That is the problem with what those logs are saying

As for your general question those are posted logs so if one person has ACT running and posts it it will show all 4 players performance but people do rarely post dungeon logs

sry, only a vast, vast infinitesimally small minority uses ACT so any data from that tiny, vocal minority should be discarded.

[Bole]

So, the healers are doing the most healing, tanks are doing second-most, and DPS are doing the least?

Genuine question - I have no idea how FFlogs works. Does it gather data from every single person playing the game, just those who have FFlogs installed, anyone in a party with someone who has FFlogs installed?

What I was trying to show is just how close WAR is to WHM and the other healers, and how much PLD is going away from the typical HPS of the other tanks (GNB and DRK).

If any one person in the party is using these tools, they gather data for the entire party, so it does include some people who won't bother with these tools otherwise (but it doesn't include everyone playing the game).

[Striker44]

What I was trying to show is just how close WAR is to WHM and the other healers, and how much PLD is going away from the typical HPS of the other tanks (GNB and DRK).

If any one person in the party is using these tools, they gather data for the entire party, so it does include some people who won't bother with these tools otherwise (but it doesn't include everyone playing the game).

That's what I was interested in. Unfortunate to say, but the data then isn't a "median" dungeon run. Even if it's gathering data from a party, I'd gather the huge majority of your typical, average players aren't running FFlogs, so very little data from the actual "median" party is being included there. What you're seeing is what mainly happens among relatively top-tier players, not your typical folks.

[GoodPerson]

That's what I was interested in. Unfortunate to say, but the data then isn't a "median" dungeon run. Even if it's gathering data from a party, I'd gather the huge majority of your typical, average players aren't running FFlogs, so very little data from the actual "median" party is being included there. What you're seeing is what mainly happens among relatively top-tier players, not your typical folks.

As Bole(or was it someone else mentioned?) Random people could be recording , and then uploading for literally no reason beyond a whim. I believe you can even have ACT set up to do it entirely automatically as long as you have it running, meaning logs actually encompasses a much larger net than what would initially make it seem. Even in and during completely random Roulette runs.
Edit: Actually, the character you're posting on is also logged on FFlogs with about 10 recordings, further proving Bole's point

Also, the score covers both the lower ranges, and the higher ranges ("Score" being mostly the median or average player with "Max" being what you'd actually call "top-tier players"

This is probably a better representation of what they mean, this being the actual healing-per-second, which as you can see, Warrior is only 200~hps shy of matching WHM:

[Rolder50]

That's what I was interested in. Unfortunate to say, but the data then isn't a "median" dungeon run. Even if it's gathering data from a party, I'd gather the huge majority of your typical, average players aren't running FFlogs, so very little data from the actual "median" party is being included there. What you're seeing is what mainly happens among relatively top-tier players, not your typical folks.

Dungeons don't generally get logged because not even top tier players really care about dungeon performance. But I would also wager that a majority of Savage and especially Ultimate raids end up logged, since people care more about those numbers and only one person in the group needs to do it.