#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Ramiee]

Is that really needed to say? like I think we all agree it is bad and annoying that people downplay the complains by saying that people should just play something else. I don't think it is better though to tell people they should just play something else if they like how it is right now

They don't like a fundemental design aspect of this game, if they don't like it they shouldn't play it. I don't like RTS games but I don't demand RTS games to become ARPG, I just don't play them, why do I have to coddle people like that?

[mellii]

They don't like a fundemental design aspect of this game, if they don't like it they shouldn't play it. I don't like RTS games but I don't demand RTS games to become ARPG, I just don't play them, why do I have to coddle people like that?

I would argue that the game at the moment is designed in a way (at least when it comes to casual content, for harder content it is a more complicated discussion and not what that person was talking about anyway), that it can be cleared by the other people no matter how bad another player is in a particular role. It is totally fine not to be happy with that state and thinking it is a fundamental aspect of this genre that should be part in casual content in this game as well. But when it comes to FFXIV itself at least at the moment it is not a fundamental aspect of this game for casual content right now and I just think it is kind of wrong to tell people to play something different if they are happy that it is the case right now.

[Ramiee]

I would argue that the game at the moment is designed in a way (at least when it comes to casual content, for harder content it is a more complicated discussion and not what that person was talking about anyway), that it can be cleared by the other people no matter how bad another player is in a particular role. It is totally fine not to be happy with that state and thinking it is a fundamental aspect of this genre that should be part in casual content in this game as well. But when it comes to FFXIV itself at least at the moment it is not a fundamental aspect of this game for casual content right now and I just think it is kind of wrong to tell people to play something different if they are happy that it is the case right now.

I wouldn't be thinking this if the game wasnt objectively worse for healers. Coddling to people who don't like trinity mmos has made an entire role boring and bad to play so im sorry but I will keep having the opinion that they play non-trinty mmos or have square enix remove the trinty aspect of this mmo and I move on. The only thing I hate more than being pushed away is being bored.

[mellii]

I wouldn't be thinking this if the game wasnt objectively worse for healers. Coddling to people who don't like trinity mmos has made an entire role boring and bad to play so im sorry but I will keep having the opinion that they play non-trinty mmos or have square enix remove the trinty aspect of this mmo and I move on. The only thing I hate more than being pushed away is being bored.

when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

[Ramiee]

when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

We have four healers in the game one of them can have the 1111 button spam and everyone else can have a better dps rotation. This another problem with the game making every job appeal to everyone for no real good reason. Its how DRK started to become WAR because DRK took MP usage and had oGCD focus as well as less self sustainability but now people who came over from WAR but like DRK because it looks cool to them want to make it into WAR ruining it for the core players. You can make a million excuses I can make a million excuses my opinion wont change as people have tried to change it for 5 years and all have failed.
If they want the game casual make duty support casual, make an easy healer job, make a easy tank job and dps and so on. There are over 20 jobs in this game make some of them hard for people who want to be pushed.

[mellii]

We have four healers in the game one of them can have the 1111 button spam and everyone else can have a better dps rotation. This another problem with the game making every job appeal to everyone for no real good reason. Its how DRK started to become WAR because DRK took MP usage and had oGCD focus as well as less self sustainability but now people who came over from WAR but like DRK because it looks cool to them want to make it into WAR ruining it for the core players. You can make a million excuses I can make a million excuses my opinion wont change as people have tried to change it for 5 years and all have failed.
If they want the game casual make duty support casual, make an easy healer job, make a easy tank job and dps and so on. There are over 20 jobs in this game make some of them hard for people who want to be pushed.

and with all of that I agree, more variety and options would be a good thing and wording it like that is not something I have any issue with as well. Even though it would have been nice if you included something in your response that would at least be on the points I was talking about (because nothing I personally talked about with you was about how the game should be and only about how dismissive something else you said was in my opinion), so it feels like you are not really engaging with what I am saying

[Ramiee]

and with all of that I agree, more variety and options would be a good thing and wording it like that is not something I have any issue with as well. Even though it would have been nice if you included something in your response that would at least be on the points I was talking about (because nothing I personally talked about with you was about how the game should be and only about how dismissive something else you said was in my opinion), so it feels like you are not really engaging with what I am saying

Every time i've broken down and responded to everything someone says to me, I get a one sentence response so I don't really care anymore unless its a less open topic. This entire reply chain we have had was about me saying if someone doesn't like a key aspect of a game to not play the game, which was a tiny part at the end of my comment and thats all im responding to. I am sorry but I do not have a subtle opinion on this, I say it how I feel and how I feel is that people who don't like a main part of the game shouldn't play it.
If they want to be a social player fine, I don't touch that part of the game, but I don't want the part of the game I like to be ruined by people who don't enjoy it. Have duty support and trust there for people who want an easy mode to breeze through the game so they can just do what they like if they don't like the PVE. Compromise is only compromise if one side isn't off worse then the other.