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    Local_Custard's Avatar
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    Rhel'a Tayuun
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyEwer View Post
    Well no, you're trying to make it into some kind of political stand thing, which is hilarious. Do you not have any real-world issues that trouble you enough to demand your attention? You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue? I'm begging anyone who is part of this "movement" to touch grass.
    I was just outside touching all the grass! The chickens got jealous. Then I ate all the grass... sad times.

    edit: Chickens is literal. I held a chicken 5 minutes ago

    The only stand we're taking is that the current healer role design is made for no one. Casuals are bored and unable to improve because they aren't usually pushed to (tanks heal themselves. mechanics hit like wet noodles. overpowered tools) and raiders often feel like they are watching paint dry on downtime when there is nothing to heal and only 1 button to press.

    You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue?
    ah yes, the role that is god-like: healers. I can solo some endwalker FATEs as AST if I apply 10 different HoTs, does that count?
    The real god mode of this game is WAR. That is definitely a problem. Remember all those times WAR could solo a boss when everyone else was dead? Meanwhile, healers are squishy so if they get hit it is often just 2 more seconds and they die from autos or a tankbuster. It isn't really fun to be unable to do anything while someone else plays the game for you. Not to mention, it is very common to not find anyone to heal because the tank is at 100% from their own kit self-sustain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyEwer View Post
    Well no, you're trying to make it into some kind of political stand thing, which is hilarious. Do you not have any real-world issues that trouble you enough to demand your attention? You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue? I'm begging anyone who is part of this "movement" to touch grass.
    Tbf you equally could have been spending your time on real world issues instead of begging people to touch grass on video game related forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind View Post
    Tbf you equally could have been spending your time on real world issues instead of begging people to touch grass on video game related forums.

    I do, actually. Being LGBTQ+ is great that way, you're forced into politics whether you like it or not. But one of my friends linked this like "hey what do you think about it" and I was sufficiently amused I felt like commenting.
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    So this whole thread is just about "content" that is so trivial that 4 bards could do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwodmots View Post
    So this whole thread is just about "content" that is so trivial that 4 bards could do it?
    Pretty much yeah. Healers are mad that warriors are good in dungeons and can't really think outside of that. A lot of them haven't even experienced higher-end content. The ones that have are saying they'd like more dps buttons, which the casuals are kind of just ignoring because it's specifically warrior that's ruining their jobs.

    My dudes. Dungeons aren't good content. If you're basing your entire experience off of dungeon runs, your opinion is completely invalid. Unsub if you're not having fun. Be responsible for once in your lives. Y'all are actually beyond ridiculous at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwodmots View Post
    So this whole thread is just about "content" that is so trivial that 4 bards could do it?
    I think it's funny you used a 4 bard example. Of course you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Pretty much yeah. Healers are mad that warriors are good in dungeons and can't really think outside of that. A lot of them haven't even experienced higher-end content. The ones that have are saying they'd like more dps buttons, which the casuals are kind of just ignoring because it's specifically warrior that's ruining their jobs.

    My dudes. Dungeons aren't good content. If you're basing your entire experience off of dungeon runs, your opinion is completely invalid. Unsub if you're not having fun. Be responsible for once in your lives. Y'all are actually beyond ridiculous at this point.

    Dungeons and trials are the bulk of the game. Don't shill for certain jobs. Want the game to be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Dungeons and trials are the bulk of the game. Don't shill for certain jobs. Want the game to be better.
    Don't feed the trolls, man. Looking at her posts, I've gotta say, I've seen better bait at the gas station.
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    "Once upon a time, you were the based healer, who could carry any tank through the largest of pulls! Now you're just here because the Duty Finder said you have to be." - Lucy Pyre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    Don't feed the trolls, man. Looking at her posts, I've gotta say, I've seen better bait at the gas station.
    Bait? There's no bait here, you just don't like what I'm saying. So instead of listening to the logical counters, you cover your ears and call anything you disagree with "bait." The only people I've argued in bad faith with are the people who deserve to be argued with in bad faith. Everything else, I stand by 100%.

    How about, if you want to be taken seriously, you uncover your ears, stop calling anything you don't like "bait," stop responding emotionally, and listen. It's a lot simpler than it sounds, and it sounds pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Bait? There's no bait here, you just don't like what I'm saying. So instead of listening to the logical counters, you cover your ears and call anything you disagree with "bait." The only people I've argued in bad faith with are the people who deserve to be argued with in bad faith. Everything else, I stand by 100%.

    How about, if you want to be taken seriously, you uncover your ears, stop calling anything you don't like "bait," stop responding emotionally, and listen. It's a lot simpler than it sounds, and it sounds pretty simple.
    You have yet to provide a good argument.
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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwodmots View Post
    So this whole thread is just about "content" that is so trivial that 4 bards could do it?
    Dungeons are part of the complaints, but certainly not everything.

    Do you have a video of running dungeons with 4 bards? That could be entertaining to watch. And it would be a good datapoint that supports the strike.
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