#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kathryn]

Literally nobody is asking to deal more damage than a DPS. People are asking for more damage BUTTONS, so that we have something to do besides mindless Glare/Malefic/Broil/Dosis spam.

Once again, one of my thoughts and ideas on how this could be resolved has been glossed over and not even discussed so people can continue arguing with eachother, Thats why i believe your cause is doomed because all thats wanted in here is an echochamber to complain about SE and Yoshi P and no Dev will or should take this thread seriously in it's current state.

I would suggest going the 2 tier spell route like in WoW with "Holy Shock" for example, can do moderate damage to an enemy or heal an ally for a greater value, my only concern with this is FFXIV has considerable UI lag and more often than not you will damage an enemy instead of targetting an ally for heal knocking in you GCD, I alrdy see this happening with SGE when using the oGCD heal when switching from attacking to healing, it doesnt happen often but i have to slow myself down in order to not end up healing myself instead of my intended target.

[Eorzean_username]

Once again, one of my thoughts and ideas on how this could be resolved has been glossed over and not even discussed so people can continue arguing with eachother, Thats why i believe your cause is doomed because all thats wanted in here is an echochamber to complain about SE and Yoshi P and no Dev will or should take this thread seriously in it's current state.

Oh my god Marcia, just because people didn't drop their pants in excitement over your suggestion of "What if FFXIV had Holy Shock?" doesn't mean it's an "echo chamber".

There's this recurring theme here of people who pop-in with uninspired arguments (that have already been addressed 88938912 times) or totally-lukewarm ideas, and then seem to take it deeply-personally if no one really engages with it.

Well, no one's engaging with it because it's not really contributing anything very interesting. This is like being mad at everyone else in the room, and vowing vengeance, because your icebreaker didn't work and people kept having the conversations that they were already having before you arrived.

Like I get it, you think that your own insights, quips, criticisms, and ideas are absolutely amazing, and you're anticipating everyone else agreeing with you, or praising you, or whatever, and then you get super-steamed when everyone's like, "Oh okay, yeah, I guess" and then keeps going, and you don't get the Likes you want, or... something.

And that's when the fist-shaking and assertions of pointlessness and threats of how everything is "doomed" and lamenting the "state" of the thread and other bizarro concern-trolling / pearl-clutching begin.

Look — like 200 pages ago, someone from JP came over and expressed their doubts about this method, but then listened, engaged, admitted that they share some of the concerns, disagreed with other concerns, and then finally said they couldn't keep up with all the replies, and bowed-out.

No one attacked them, people engaged with them, and there was plenty of "That's fine, we'll agree to disagree". People here obviously have no problem discussing things openly, and accepting that not everyone agrees 100%, when it feels like there's actually a productive discussion occurring.

I think that what you want to call an "echo chamber" actually just means "No one is paying attention to me because I'm not saying anything very interesting, and that makes me mad".

[GoodPerson]

Also to add to above, not everyone is immediately ready to engage with every reply here lmao.

Anyway holy shock sounds neat I guess as a concept. If healers could alternatively use their oGcds for heal or harm with the sacrifice of putting it on cooldown/using job gauge would open up the class for more decision making than what it currently has.

I'm not sure if it'd entirely solve the problem, but atleast I'd be able to see the pretty effects more often. Plus, the idea of say, fairy tethering to a enemy for a like 15 second dot sounds kind of funny.

[Kathryn]

Also to add to above, not everyone is immediately ready to engage with every reply here lmao.

Anyway holy shock sounds neat I guess as a concept. If healers could alternatively use their oGcds for heal or harm with the sacrifice of putting it on cooldown/using job gauge would open up the class for more decision making than what it currently has.

I'm not sure if it'd entirely solve the problem, but atleast I'd be able to see the pretty effects more often. Plus, the idea of say, fairy tethering to a enemy for a like 15 second dot sounds kind of funny.

That would give the fairy more use than just being a heal drone and you actually get to interact with it, also thank you for a civil response.

[GoodPerson]

That would give the fairy more use than just being a heal drone and you actually get to interact with it, also thank you for a civil response.

It'd run the issue of the fairy being preoccupied and therfore unable to be issues other actions but I see what you mean , Sch has always , as far as I remember, always had more fairy Guage than what they know what to do with.

Though , while a idea, it'd require a pretty huge overhaul to all the healers more than I think is within the developers scope. It would (in my opinon) be easier to just make healers more HPS focused , which thankfully theyre more than equipped to handle , with fights that compliment it. Good example that's been mentioned plenty is barbariccia EX, just that but as a baseline of what to expect so that healers aren't just pressing 1 outside of very minimal downtime.

Since , bottom-line, we just want to have the ability to keep busy in some engaging way

[Kathryn]

It'd run the issue of the fairy being preoccupied and therfore unable to be issues other actions but I see what you mean , Sch has always , as far as I remember, always had more fairy Guage than what they know what to do with.

Though , while a idea, it'd require a pretty huge overhaul to all the healers more than I think is within the developers scope. It would (in my opinon) be easier to just make healers more HPS focused , which thankfully theyre more than equipped to handle , with fights that compliment it. Good example that's been mentioned plenty is barbariccia EX, just that but as a baseline of what to expect so that healers aren't just pressing 1 outside of very minimal downtime.

Since , bottom-line, we just want to have the ability to keep busy in some engaging way

I get that I play healer on and off, my biggest concern with going more HPS is the UI lag, but im guess im almost out of posts for the day all the best!

[GoodPerson]

I get that I play healer on and off, my biggest concern with going more HPS is the UI lag, but im guess im almost out of posts for the day all the best!

Oh right the ui lag!
Valid concern but, using Barb as a guide post again, I don't think that was a major concern? I may be wrong, it's been a long time since I've done barb

[PercibelTheren]

Really? I thought it was quite a pleasant exchange overall. I'm not keeping up with the whole thread, but the immediate responses I remember were quite cordial. There's always the chance for one or another unpleasant comment, but that's not the general tone at all.
And I disagree with your latter sentiment, there has been some good discussion and suggestions in the thread.
(Here's to 300 pages!)

There was one post expressing a dislike of the extreme politeness of Japanese culture in a very rude way, but that's about it.