#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

I'm really not trying to be dismissive, but 230/1.4m is .016% of the playerbase. If we assume that even only 5% of the playerbase usually plays healer (which is an incredibly generous assumption in favor of your position), that's 0.32% of all healers. That's not going to make a significant difference. Going purely by Discord membership, the numbers just aren't there at the moment.

I literally just pointed out the group of players that are relevant and you go and pull a random number our of nowhere again.

This isn't "Dissatisfied healers vs The entire playerbase", or even "Dissatisfied healers vs The entire healer role playerbase". It's entirely "Dissatisfied healers vs Healers who are vehemently against change", that's the only relevant opposition here, you can't just magic extra numbers out of thin air to back your argument.

And I'm certain that the healers who are against change are a much smaller number than 5% of the playerbase. Like I said earlier, the vast majority of people outside that group do not care and are not relevant to your argument because changing healers DOES NOT affect them in any way.

[TBerry]

Speking of mockery, Zenos really must've been bored out of his mind. For what, a couple of pebbles and some wind in his face?

[aiqa]

My issue is with people claiming that healers just are utterly broken right now and being extremely insulting and condescending to people who disagree

Define "broken". I haven't seen any people making such sweeping statement. And if there are, they are surely not a large part. The issues people have pointed out are generally far more specific and contained then a general "broken" claim.

demanding that SE not only change every healer's entire kit, but also the healing/mit skills on all other jobs just to suit the preferences of people in this thread

If you want to argue that point, start with the reaons. Just saying "I don't like the conclusion" isn't helpful.

Do you disagree healers should have an equally important part in group content as other roles? Do you disagree the valueable part of bringing a healer should be the healing? Do you disagree there is only a limited amount of healing required in any content? Do you disagree healers should be responsible for the vast majority of that healing? Do you disagree tanks have taken over more of that healing requirement in EW? Do you disagree the first look at DT shifts that balance even more to tanks? Do you disagree that in certain group content that balance has shifted so much towards tanks that it's optimal and trivially easy to let the tanks fulfill the healer role? Do you disagree that the most difficult content should be impossible without a healer?

Or is there something else that would change this conclusion that the self and teamheals on tanks have diminished the healer role. Or is it alright for tanks to diminish healers, but not alright for healers to speak up and wanting their chosen role back. Either way, explain that a bit better please.

Why does the WAR who really loves their self-sustain tools get insulted and belittled for "encroaching on the healer's responsibilities" and told to just suck it up and deal with the idea of having their entire kit reworked to satisfy healers?

The only WAR I saw that got such firm pushback make it very clear they knew WAR is by far the strongest job, but they liked it that way. And they didn't want to engage in any more detailed discussions on how the healer concerns could be fixed without lowering heals from tanks. It was "not their problem".

[Kazmarek]

The only WAR I saw that got such firm pushback make it very clear they knew WAR is by far the strongest job, but they liked it that way. And they didn't want to engage in any more detailed discussions on how the healer concerns could be fixed without lowering heals from tanks. It was "not their problem".

And don't you forget it. Hey I tried. I tried coming in here, being polite, and giving my opinion that getting rid of warrior sustain was not the solution. You all didn't like that and attacked me for it. So, if you all are gonna treat me disrespectfully, then why should I give you my respect? I've said it multiple times and I'll probably say it multiple more, I'm all in favor of making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of anyone else. In my mind, that's more damage buttons. Some of you don't agree, and that's fine, but getting rid of tank sustain is not the answer and I will not budge on this.

Also, for those of you saying you've been unhappy "for half a decade," why are you still giving Square your money? If you want something done, if you really want to be heard, unsub and let Square find out the hard way. Because right now you're telling them "I've been unhappy for so long but I'm still going to give you my money" and that's... I mean what are they supposed to take from that? At this point, if you've really been unhappy with the way healer has been for 5 years, that's entirely on you for continuing to subject yourself to it. Don't blame others for your poor decisions.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

And don't you forget it. Hey I tried. I tried coming in here, being polite, and giving my opinion that getting rid of warrior sustain was not the solution. You all didn't like that and attacked me for it. So, if you all are gonna treat me disrespectfully, then why should I give you my respect? I've said it multiple times and I'll probably say it multiple more, I'm all in favor of making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of anyone else. In my mind, that's more damage buttons. Some of you don't agree, and that's fine, but getting rid of tank sustain is not the answer and I will not budge on this.

Also, for those of you saying you've been unhappy "for half a decade," why are you still giving Square your money? If you want something done, if you really want to be heard, unsub and let Square find out the hard way. Because right now you're telling them "I've been unhappy for so long but I'm still going to give you my money" and that's... I mean what are they supposed to take from that? At this point, if you've really been unhappy with the way healer has been for 5 years, that's entirely on you for continuing to subject yourself to it. Don't blame others for your poor decisions.

"you can fix the problem in theory just don't nerf me invalidating your entire role" isn't respectful no matter how you phrase it.

as for not playing healer anymore if it's so terrible, yes, that's what we're doing and the topic of the thread.

[Rehayem]

And don't you forget it. Hey I tried. I tried coming in here, being polite, and giving my opinion that getting rid of warrior sustain was not the solution. You all didn't like that and attacked me for it. So, if you all are gonna treat me disrespectfully, then why should I give you my respect? I've said it multiple times and I'll probably say it multiple more, I'm all in favor of making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of anyone else. In my mind, that's more damage buttons. Some of you don't agree, and that's fine, but getting rid of tank sustain is not the answer and I will not budge on this.

Also, for those of you saying you've been unhappy "for half a decade," why are you still giving Square your money? If you want something done, if you really want to be heard, unsub and let Square find out the hard way. Because right now you're telling them "I've been unhappy for so long but I'm still going to give you my money" and that's... I mean what are they supposed to take from that? At this point, if you've really been unhappy with the way healer has been for 5 years, that's entirely on you for continuing to subject yourself to it. Don't blame others for your poor decisions.

Quoting your earlier reply:

I mean the bottom line is... nothing's ever going to get done just by thinking about it hard enough. At least people are speaking up and voicing their discontentment.

Also my earlier reply might fit the context on what I'm about to say, but we are paying customers after all. Indeed, people can stop paying and move on, but new batch of unsatisfied customers will come and complain about the same issue. It was done so during ShB, during EW and now approaching DT.

If we stop paying and move to other games, nothing will truly change, will it?

Then again, the game doesn't revolve around just playing healer role, there's plenty to do in the game that isn't just battle content.

[Gemina]

And don't you forget it. Hey I tried. I tried coming in here, being polite, and giving my opinion that getting rid of warrior sustain was not the solution. You all didn't like that and attacked me for it. So, if you all are gonna treat me disrespectfully, then why should I give you my respect? I've said it multiple times and I'll probably say it multiple more, I'm all in favor of making healers more interesting, but not at the expense of anyone else. In my mind, that's more damage buttons. Some of you don't agree, and that's fine, but getting rid of tank sustain is not the answer and I will not budge on this.

How have you been disrespected? Give a specific instance of it outside of people not agreeing with you. I'm not saying it hasn't happened. This thread is quite large, and I do try to read all the posts, but I am only human so help me out.

However, what I will point out to you is that any type of animosity that you may have received might be a result if your inability to show compassion for the healers that have been subjected to what you are trying to prevent jobs like WAR having happen to them. They have quite literally made that job ridiculously OP and at the expense of healers. If you can't see this, or the problem with it then we are simply at an impasse and probably should just agree to disagree.

Also, for those of you saying you've been unhappy "for half a decade," why are you still giving Square your money? If you want something done, if you really want to be heard, unsub and let Square find out the hard way. Because right now you're telling them "I've been unhappy for so long but I'm still going to give you my money" and that's... I mean what are they supposed to take from that? At this point, if you've really been unhappy with the way healer has been for 5 years, that's entirely on you for continuing to subject yourself to it. Don't blame others for your poor decisions.

The striking healers are taking matters into their own hands and are simply choosing to not participate as a healer. They are still excited to level new jobs like Pictomancer and Viper. Some of them have already put down healer in favor of jobs they do get enjoyment out of. The discord is filled with players who have cancelled their subs. Other players can still find other things about the game that they enjoy and have chosen to remain subbed. I get the argument that if you are so unhappy with the game, you cannot find anything you enjoy, and every word that comes out of your mouth is a complaint. Then unsubbing is really the only thing left for you to do. However, whether or not a player chooses to unsubscribe the healer issue still remains. The striking healers are trying to raise awareness to a problem, not cause it.

[Flay_wind]

Slightly off-topic, but for the sake of argument "give us more dps buttons".
Here's my E12S P2 5:50 log (Advanced Relativity skip) on BLU as a solo healer.

BLU has only GCD heals and a lot of OGCD damage spells on 30, 60, 120s timers.
We used a lot of Revenge Blasts, as such all dps needed to be low on health, while tank takes constant autos and has little to no self-sustain, so i couldn't just use my stronger heals, nor tank could White Wind themselves. White Wind in Raids is a full party heal most of the time.
Autos from the boss roughly hurt for the same amout as Pom Cure Heal.
As you can see, while i do press a lot of "1" and "2". i press a lot of other buttons in the meantime.

[KageTokage]

It's mostly a matter of attempting to be noticed by the devs by causing a healer shortage...though whether they'll properly grasp the reasons for such is up in the air because at this point I could just as easily see them overlooking the complaints people have, assuming healers are being avoided because they're somehow still too complicated and dumbing them down even more...

It's extremely unlikely any meaningful change will happen quickly given that the issues people have aren't really something that can be fixed by simply tweaking numbers.

[Tint]

It's extremely unlikely any meaningful change will happen quickly given that the issues people have aren't really something that can be fixed by simply tweaking numbers.

Nerfing tank and dps self sustain is tweaking numbers. Then adding a second DoT to every healer is also easily done. Creating an animation for it would be the hardest part, but they can probably stitch something together with existing animations.

Probably not the fix people are hoping for but it would be something.