#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Nanananami773]

Thank you for sharing JP thoughts, it's very interesting see discussion between the two sides here!

When it comes to making video games, I think a common and successful tactic to make it "easy to play, hard to master." In other words, lowering the skill floor (the minimum skill level required) to invite new players to try it out, and raising the skill ceiling (the highest amount of skill expression possible) to keep veterans interested in the game. Making a game both accessible and engaging requires keeping the skill floor as low as possible, and raising the skill ceiling as high as possible.

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I agree with the "easy to play, hard to master" tactic you presented.
However, I feel that the job adjustments in 7.0 intentionally lowered the skill ceiling (even for jobs other than healer), and I have actually seen people in the community lamenting the lack of fun in devising them.
It is easy to imagine that the anger of those healers would be especially great, as they have been ignored by the same requests for some time now.

Keeping the skill floor low for casual healers appears to be successful at present.
On the other hand, I feel you guys are right that the system is inadequate to keep veteran players happy.

I play AST a lot and there have been many times when I really felt like I was chanting Malefic too often.
In the case of AST, maybe it was still better because of the action of dealing cards, but when I played WHM in the same PH, there were long periods of time when nothing really happened and I even doubted my need to fight.
The more I think about it and see it with you all, the more I realize (and remember) that I did indeed have a complaint about the healer.
I guess subconsciously, they were separating that it was for the casual player and that it was inevitable.

How exactly to do this is not clear to me, and this discussion is unlikely to be active in the JP forum, I think.
Anyway, I just hope your voices will be heard by CBU3 and YoshiP.

[Jeeqbit]

I think that one of the points on the manifesto could also be that old dungeons involve more healing than higher level dungeons and this doesn't make logical sense. In part its due to how the enemies do more or higher damage auto attacks, but also the lack of tank self-heals at those levels. Even a Warrior at level 60 is not quite as overpowered as at 90 (Bloodwhetting is in a massively nerfed version called Raw Intuition, no Shake It Off, Equilibrium doesn't have a regen, Thrill doesn't buff your heals).

I think this is a very good point. I understand that the routine of roulettes has led to people not wanting to spend too much time on them, so a person messing up can easily be irritating if you just want your tomes and be done with it. While it's understandable I still think it's a bit sad because these moments of working together and figuring things out are one of the most enjoyable instances for me. Suddenly you are an actual team, even for just a short time, and not just four silent randos. Overcoming those (small) challenges does feel quite rewarding to me and I'm always happy when the occur.

It's also not too much of a problem for something quick to be challenging. In mentor roulette, I get extreme trials fairly often, and although you may expect them to keep you there hours, they usually don't actually due to poor item level sync or Echo stacks building on wipe. But there are at least a few wipes or some deaths or some learning involved that makes me feel like these sprouts got to FEEL something and they will know what this game can be outside of story content.

[Rehayem]

5. I see where JP is coming from. It is a society overworked, overtaxed, and overpushed to do for the better of the whole. Going on healer so it can be an 'relaxing experience for them' is not far-fetched. I don't think it is fair to point fingers at them wanting that, if that is what they want. So, I don't think we should try to point fingers at them and get on their cases. It's not their fault and we shouldn't try to push so hard on their side of things because it does make English speakers come off as 'beligerent'.

JP already voiced their opinions and find no issues with the current iteration of healers since it's their way to "relax", as such, I believe it's time to stop going over to JP forums and attempt to have them join this cause. Pushing it further is already making some folks there extremely angry because machine translation fails to contextualize the politeness and kindness in their language and ultimately will create a wider gap than there already is.

[ShiCorvus]

What this sounds like to me is that any JP player in support of the protest would have to do it in silence or while treading very carefully. I know they are already aware of ##FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE, so it makes one wonder how many of them there are and are rooting for its success.

My friend, I don't think you should give credence to people who are willing to spout the most heinous stuff about a whole country if you want your strike keep whatever goodwill it has left.

[Nanananami773]

Hello, thank you for relaying the Japanese view points, I think most of us that go to discuss the healer situation over there, do not necessarily mean to be rude. It is to gauge Japanese opinion with our own opinion, I assume there is just a translation error going on, maybe because of the translation tools, I don't know. English is hard to gauge whether someone is being rude unless otherwise obvious or made apparent, as English typically does not carry any formal expression in its volume, it does have polite phrases, but the language doesn't change to meet a "polite" form. Though parallel to that ideology, lots of opinions on the English forum have gotten outright ignored by the developers for years, not just a few years either, so there might be some that are smitten (disheartened), and I believe justifiable so. We have seen the other roles encroach upon the Healer role, without any exchange for them doing so. Example, shake it off from warrior is able to cover multiple mechanics, effectively leaving the healer role to basically only spam one button (glare, broil, malefic, dosis with the occasional DoT skill and off cooldown skill such as (Afflatus, Phelgma, Energy Drain, etc)), while that job also sees that it gains a proper rotation. A lot of us find that to be unfair to the healer role, that they get to cover our role while we remain only doing the later...this not limited to dungeons but also: extremes, savages, ultimates. It has gotten really bad to the point where they effectively replaced us, that is the opinion shared among the forum...or at least some of us. Even casual players have seen this problem in varying degrees, making their experience, well, less fun.

Again thank you for seeing the time and visiting the English forum.

The fact that opinions have been posted on the EN forum for a long time should be respected, and JP users sometimes tend to think "same theme again?" when they see it, but perhaps they should take seriously the fact that a bad situation is continuing instead.
Indeed, I remember being very shocked when a PT cleared even Ultimate with a configuration without a healer -it was with the use of a powerful healing kit that could be called excessive, led by shake it off (I think the challenge itself is interesting, though).

There is no doubt that the heal performance of tank,dps has been enhanced over time, and at the same time taking away the jobs of healer rolesone after another.
Despite the fact that these voices continue to be raised, they seem to be going backwards.

Improvement of this problem would have some positive impact on casual players.
I would like to hear more about CBU3's views on this.

[OliviaLugria]

Keeping the skill floor low for casual healers appears to be successful at present.
On the other hand, I feel you guys are right that the system is inadequate to keep veteran players happy.

How exactly to do this is not clear to me, and this discussion is unlikely to be active in the JP forum, I think.
Anyway, I just hope your voices will be heard by CBU3 and YoshiP.

I'm glad our thoughts reached you. There are many ways for CBU3 to make the people who currently enjoy healer and those that currently do not or did in the past happy. They are a talented team, and I'm sure they can devise a solution.

On the otherhand. This is a problem that we have felt has persisted for far to long and would like to see these plans moved forward at a faster rate.

[Kacho_Nacho]

It's not even that out of place. I mean Y'shtola has quit healing and became a Black Mage in Shadowbringers.

And now Krile will quit healing and becomes Pictomancer.

Not even the FFXIV main cast wants to deal with healing anymore.

OMG, we need a pic of Y'shtola and Krile drinking pina coladas at Costa da Sol in support of #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE! It'd be perfect!



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[ShiCorvus]

Hey, here's an idea:
Maybe you should be trying to communicate with the one JP player who is willing to come here and persuade them to help you formulate a well-worded post in japanese that won't come across as overly antagonistic to that side of the forum?

Or facilitate dialogue in some other way instead of... Whatever you're doing here now?
I dunno, just a thought.

[Loggos]

For real this time, how did you go from their original quote to this conclusion?

"After all: racist, sexist, homophobic, and antisemitic opinions (among others) have been consistently repeated for well over a thousand years. Are you suggesting that as a result, all those opinions should be respected ?
Is that really the company you want to keep? "

This is such a stretch and it's clear that this wasn't implied by the comment at all... o__o

[Evergrey]

This surely has taken a hard turn.