#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ty_taurus]

The biggest mystery to me is why the people who disagree with the thread topic are like 90% rude and arrogant about it. Where's all the hostility coming from? Did someone draw a pentagram out of Stanley cups or something? It's like a Karen convention keeps marching through.

[xbahax92]

The biggest mystery to me is why the people who disagree with the thread topic are like 90% rude and arrogant about it. Where's all the hostility coming from? Did someone draw a pentagram out of Stanley cups or something? It's like a Karen convention keeps marching through.

Well, inciting a fight is the best way to get the thread locked for them. I guess?

[Gember]

The biggest mystery to me is why the people who disagree with the thread topic are like 90% rude and arrogant about it. Where's all the hostility coming from? Did someone draw a pentagram out of Stanley cups or something? It's like a Karen convention keeps marching through.

To put it simply:

- They think the movement is stupid, because other healers will just fill in due to convenience.
- They think there is nothing wrong with healers.
- They think everyone here is being overly dramatic for a video game.
- The arguments and fights are a form of entertainment.
- They know they can piss people off in here. It is a huge opportunity to bait people, and it is working.
- Some might feel others are putting words in their mouth on how healers are "suppose" to be, and feel offended.
- Some might love current healer design, but have to put up a defensive stance, so people won't romp on them for having a difference of opinion.
- They aren't reading anything and jumping to conclusions.

There are... probably more reasons, but there you go.

[Somnolence]

- They think there is nothing wrong with healers.

The only problem with healers that matters is that they are not fun to play for a lot of people in current game state.

I don't think any arguing or justification is needed beyond this and that alone is enough to warrant a demand for changes.

[Bun_Vivant]

The only problem with healers that matters is that they are not fun to play for a lot of people in current game state.
I don't think any arguing or justification is needed beyond this and that alone is enough to warrant a demand for changes.

Well, if some one is ignorant of or willing to selfishly ignore the fact that healing is fun for a lot of people, sure.

A myopic egocentric world-view based on the assumption no one with any sense could possibly enjoy something you don't (here, FFXIV healing) is a bit of a problem in an MMO with millions of players from a variety of different cultures and backgrounds.
It wouldn't be a surprise if the devs generally ignore people with such world-views.

[Edit: that's a rhetorical "you," not a reference to you personally or anyone else in particular either.]

[xbahax92]

Well, if some one is ignorant of or willing to selfishly ignore the fact that healing is fun for a lot of people, sure.

A myopic egocentric world-view based on the assumption no one with any sense could possibly enjoy something you don't (here, FFXIV healing) is a bit of a problem in an MMO with millions of players from a variety of different cultures and backgrounds.
It wouldn't be a surprise if the devs generally ignore people with such world-views.

[Edit: that's a rhetorical "you," not a reference to you personally or anyone else in particular either.]

I know there are players who like the current state of healers. Their opinion as important as players who dislike the current state. You just barely see them in here, maybe they're scared to post? But then again, you have people who laugh their butts off and ignore every based opinion as well.

In my opinion, healers are fun to an extend. My best example is Thaleia. It is such an easy 24man raid, with very trivial and easy telegraphed mechanics. Since battle designs tend to be very static, you simply memorize mechanics after some time. This is where healing gets simply boring. Everyone starts to survive without my heals.

So healers job is to heal tank busters (which dont hurt must of the time anyway) and pop an OGCD's for a raidwide aoe. And during the remaining fight you're spamming your 1-1-1 rotation. And honestly, I'm one of those who use Assize, Earthly Star, Macrocosmos and Pneuma for additional DPS. The heal is just a bonus.

[Gemina]

Well, if some one is ignorant of or willing to selfishly ignore the fact that healing is fun for a lot of people,

This is a copout and does not address that there are fundamental issues with job design in general. A car that is leaking oil will still you get you from point A to point B, and it will keep running so long as you keep putting oil in it. This is FFXIV job design in a nutshell.

And yes, it is true that these issues exist across all roles and jobs in FFXIV. However, the difference here is no role is encroached upon as much a the healer role. Like, it doesn't even come close. Imagine a game where DPS constantly rip enmity from the tank, and the effort to resolve the issue is to just give that job more mitigation, self-sustain, and even double downing on that job's ability to acquire enmity. Imagine if healers were given more dynamic DPS rotations than the DPS jobs in the game, where they exist outside the 2-minute meta and not only are their rotations rewarding and dynamic, they also have all that support ability stacked on top of it. That is what is happening to the healer role, and it is happening whether a player is having fun with the jobs or not.

Then there is this BS argument about waiting to see what 7.2 or even 8.0 brings. To not cast judgment until we can see what they've cooked up. For the sake of argument, let's say that this content shakes things up, and the content is absolutely amazing. Great! Right? Until roulettes, relic quests, leveling, etc. sends us right back into the content that precedes it. Yoshi has stated that he would like to work on raid design first, which means he would rather design jobs around encounter design, opposed to the opposite. My question is why are not both taken into mind simultaneously? Seems to me that this would be the best approach to avoid the dev's massive lack of foresight.

[Rehayem]

- They think the movement is stupid, because other healers will just fill in due to convenience.

I think people forget that while the naysayers might get faster queues, they won't be queueing 24/7. Only few lucky DPS will have their pop for roulettes, but after you're done? You're just going to do something else. There's thousands of players on each server, and with double DPS added in Dawntrail, the queues will be abysmal.

[Sacae]

I think people forget that while the naysayers might get faster queues, they won't be queueing 24/7. Only few lucky DPS will have their pop for roulettes, but after you're done? You're just going to do something else. There's thousands of players on each server, and with double DPS added in Dawntrail, the queues will be abysmal.

You're assuming that there will be enough people taking part in this strike to make an actual statistical difference in queue times. Let's say you get a thousand people, spread out over all the NA and EU data centers. It's just....not going to make a big difference, sorry.

Healers definitely need some attention from the dev team, but this just...isn't going to work. I posted earlier that opening a dialogue on the JP side of the forums would at least get some attention. Flooding comment sections and streams for content creators would get the word out too. But what's proposed here...is just slactivism. Strikes alone don't accomplish anything, especially when people are still actually paying for the service that they are striking.

Like, what's basically happening here is people making a bunch of reservations at a restauraunt and paying in advance, and then just not showing up. Sure, the restaurant may look empty, but...you've already paid for the food. The restaurant isn't actually losing anything.

A strike needs to be accompanied by a campaign to accomplish whatever your goal is. Post on the JP forums. Storm comment threads. Make social media pages, in English and Japanese. Submit reports complaining to SE on their website.

And the biggest thing, *don't stop.* Keep applying pressure, and eventually the company would have to address it. Not something like this which will in all likelihood just be ignored.

[HighlanderClone]

The biggest mystery to me is why the people who disagree with the thread topic are like 90% rude and arrogant about it. Where's all the hostility coming from? Did someone draw a pentagram out of Stanley cups or something? It's like a Karen convention keeps marching through.

It's all over 4chan