#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Katish]

The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.

100% I am okay with clemency, it has a cost toward the Paladin and doesn't always guarantee a save. But did they really need all the regens and stuff for free 82+, those I have an issue with. Note: I also play all the tanks and see the bigger picture for what it is. Ghimlyt Dark does not see those given it's a 70 dungeon, so the Paladin might struggle to continue the fight...but on dungeons 82+ I can guarantee you that it becomes very very easy to do.

[aiqa]

The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.

If a tank DC's the team struggles just as much, if not more. Singling out healers for a "but what if they DC" is not fair. And Clemency isn't the main problem, a PLD spamming Clemecy to keep a team alive through AoE's is far worse than a healer with strong AoE heals. The main issue is all the ogcd/inherent healing from tanks.

[Saraide]

The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.

Then what's the point of having the healing role at all if the other jobs can just make up for it just like that. Shouldnt we just go the pvp route of every job being a dps and then having some flavor on top of that? Should we remake the entire game into a warframe like structure where 4 people are independently soloing the mission?

3 people doing a fight that's designed for 4 people should be tough. Having limited combat rezzes for jobs outside of smn and rdm is also something that has been talked about before. I dont think anyone in here is mad at specific players just playing warrior or paladin, I dont know why you would think that.

[Cheapshot]

The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.

I think the solution to this is classes like summoner and red mage. When the healer eats floor, having non healers with resurrection gives everyone a shot to recover and salvage a run. It always feels very satisfying and rewarding to me when this happens. Not only should they put the idea of removing res from SMN to rest for good, they should give it to a few more classes that it might make sense on. Maybe Paladin for example.

If our choices being presented are
1. “Content hard, so if the healer dies you have to restart”
2. “Content easy, so healers are unnecessary”
3. “Content hard, but someone can res the healer and we can keep on fighting”
I’ll take the third option any day of the week.

[PercibelTheren]

The arrogance of healers. To state with one breath that dps and tanks shouldn't get the occasional support or self healing so that soloing or a healer dying in a dungeon isn't an instant wipe. Yet on the other hand, you demand more active dps, demanding to dip into our role. Your 'strike' will go nowhere. It won't even be a blip on the duty finder radar. The average player will not notice your efforts. And it will all be forgotten as one by one, you all realize how silly you're being. Either going back to your healing or realizing just how few of you there are outside of the forum echo chambers.

You are not the tsunami. You are a drop in the ocean.

Nice work completely strawmanning what people are saying. Nobody is saying tanks and DPS should have zero sustain. What people are saying is that currently, there is way too much, especially on tanks. If you can straight up do zero healing if your party's healer is Warrior, something is wrong. Somehow, SE are doubling down on this and giving tanks even MORE healing, further making healers unneccessary.

Is tanks having a 1/2/3 combo "dipping into DPS"? Because if not, you are being blatantly hypocritical here.

Besides, what else should we be asking for, then? If we ask to be able to heal more, we get shouted down. Either by people saying "you want to take healing away from other jobs" or by people claiming that requiring healers to be awake would hurt casuals. Great, if we can't have more opportunities to heal, we ask for more ways to DPS. But people don't want us to ask for those, either. What CAN we ask for, then?

[SomeGuy22]

Yet on the other hand, you demand more active dps, demanding to dip into our role.

I never understood this line of reasoning, tbh. They just want their healing downtime (which occurs quite often) to not be so goddamn boring. Play something like Aglaia as a healer and check how much downtime is in there, that shit's sleep inducing

[Cheapshot]

I’m a former SCH main. Played it from ARR till Endwalker. I was staggered by what they did to it in Shadowbrigners and endlessly frustrated by the ongoing lack of identity in the role. Abilities and theming very inconsistent. I was enjoying myself so little that I switched to maining SMN and haven’t touched healing since. I don’t even know what’s going on with it lately with all the religious themed stuff randomly for the classes higher level abilities. So strange. I’ve been really worried about the state and future of this game that I love. So many things seem rushed or poorly thought out, and I often find myself scratching my head trying to understand the decisions being made in recent years. I have a lot of respect for this development team and I think they do a lot right that other developers get wrong. Very frequently they correct course or implement things that really impress me. I hope they can do so going forward and make sure this game lasts another 10 years or more.

For what it’s worth, I wont be healing in 7.0 unless substantial change comes to the game.

[Connor]

Frankly I’m convinced the people so vehemently opposed to this are just acting contrarian/trolling rather than stating an actual opinion.

No reasonable person makes a post in a forum thread to say ‘ how dare you not like this thing I like …’

[HighlanderClone]

search for "#FFXIVHEALERSCAB" and educate yourself

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[Aword3213]

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That's definetly a troll, who can say something like this with a straight face

It's CBU3's role, which they give you the opportunity to play.

As someone who defended SE and got labeled as white knight on multiple occasions, even I would feel embarrased by this statement