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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanananami773 View Post
    Hello again.
    I posted what I noticed from yesterday's communication in my own way on the Japanese forum, and received some responses.
    The first thing they are thinking about is what kind of player base you guys are thinking about; there is a huge difference from very casual players to those playing high difficulty contents.
    Hello, thank you for relaying the Japanese view points, I think most of us that go to discuss the healer situation over there, do not necessarily mean to be rude. It is to gauge Japanese opinion with our own opinion, I assume there is just a translation error going on, maybe because of the translation tools, I don't know. English is hard to gauge whether someone is being rude unless otherwise obvious or made apparent, as English typically does not carry any formal expression in its volume, it does have polite phrases, but the language doesn't change to meet a "polite" form. Though parallel to that ideology, lots of opinions on the English forum have gotten outright ignored by the developers for years, not just a few years either, so there might be some that are smitten (disheartened), and I believe justifiable so. We have seen the other roles encroach upon the Healer role, without any exchange for them doing so. Example, shake it off from warrior is able to cover multiple mechanics, effectively leaving the healer role to basically only spam one button (glare, broil, malefic, dosis with the occasional DoT skill and off cooldown skill such as (Afflatus, Phelgma, Energy Drain, etc)), while that job also sees that it gains a proper rotation. A lot of us find that to be unfair to the healer role, that they get to cover our role while we remain only doing the later...this not limited to dungeons but also: extremes, savages, ultimates. It has gotten really bad to the point where they effectively replaced us, that is the opinion shared among the forum...or at least some of us. Even casual players have seen this problem in varying degrees, making their experience, well, less fun.

    Again thank you for seeing the time and visiting the English forum.
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    Last edited by Katish; 06-13-2024 at 01:32 AM. Reason: Rewording a few things
    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    1: Healers need something to do when they aren't healing, the lousy one button dps experience and occasional second just is not enough.
    2: The sustain of the nonhealer jobs has taken our job from us...which has left us nothing to do besides our lousy one button dps experience.
    3: We do not need most of the healing buttons...a lot of those buttons can straight up be removed or consolidated. Which would be a good thing to consolidate using the new sys.
    4: Pure & Shield means nothing and having any combination of the two is just overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katish View Post
    Hello, thank you for relaying the Japanese view points, I think most of us that go to discuss the healer situation over there, do not necessarily mean to be rude. It is to gauge Japanese opinion with our own opinion, I assume there is just a translation error going on, maybe because of the translation tools, I don't know. English is hard to gauge whether someone is being rude unless otherwise obvious or made apparent, as English typically does not carry any formal expression in its volume, it does have polite phrases, but the language doesn't change to meet a "polite" form. Though parallel to that ideology, lots of opinions on the English forum have gotten outright ignored by the developers for years, not just a few years either, so there might be some that are smitten (disheartened), and I believe justifiable so. We have seen the other roles encroach upon the Healer role, without any exchange for them doing so. Example, shake it off from warrior is able to cover multiple mechanics, effectively leaving the healer role to basically only spam one button (glare, broil, malefic, dosis with the occasional DoT skill and off cooldown skill such as (Afflatus, Phelgma, Energy Drain, etc)), while that job also sees that it gains a proper rotation. A lot of us find that to be unfair to the healer role, that they get to cover our role while we remain only doing the later...this not limited to dungeons but also: extremes, savages, ultimates. It has gotten really bad to the point where they effectively replaced us, that is the opinion shared among the forum...or at least some of us. Even casual players have seen this problem in varying degrees, making their experience, well, less fun.

    Again thank you for seeing the time and visiting the English forum.
    The fact that opinions have been posted on the EN forum for a long time should be respected, and JP users sometimes tend to think "same theme again?" when they see it, but perhaps they should take seriously the fact that a bad situation is continuing instead.
    Indeed, I remember being very shocked when a PT cleared even Ultimate with a configuration without a healer -it was with the use of a powerful healing kit that could be called excessive, led by shake it off (I think the challenge itself is interesting, though).

    There is no doubt that the heal performance of tank,dps has been enhanced over time, and at the same time taking away the jobs of healer rolesone after another.
    Despite the fact that these voices continue to be raised, they seem to be going backwards.

    Improvement of this problem would have some positive impact on casual players.
    I would like to hear more about CBU3's views on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant View Post
    Nonsense is still nonsense, and the big lie still a lie, no matter how many times it is repeated.
    So don't say your opinion must be respected just because it's been posted a lot.

    After all: racist, sexist, homophobic, and antisemitic opinions (among others) have been consistently repeated for well over a thousand years. Are you suggesting that as a result, all those opinions should be respected ?
    Is that really the company you want to keep?
    Oh ffs sis, come off it. You're literally comparing forum opinions on a job in a video game to actual discrimination. Sod off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanananami773 View Post
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    I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to come here and explain the Japanese side of the forums to us, as well as giving us insight from that perspective! Any further help you can give is always appreciated.
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