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    The team reads the forum. We just had the benchmark updated based on forum feedback...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Just to put it into perspective, the "please stop genderlocking gear" thread on the front page has 117 likes and that's probably considered a majority opinion. This thread is getting even more support than that.
    Again, that's less than a single percentage point of the player base, not even 0.04%, it's popular on here because there probably isn't even a thousand people browsing the NA forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    The team reads the forum. We just had the benchmark updated based on forum feedback...
    More like Twitter had something to do with that, considering that platform is far more vocal and wider reaching than here, they probably just called it forum feedback to make it sound like they were listening to the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaFranku View Post
    Again, that's less than a single percentage point of the player base, not even 0.04%, it's popular on here because there probably isn't even a thousand people browsing the NA forums.



    More like Twitter had something to do with that, considering that platform is far more vocal and wider reaching than here, they probably just called it forum feedback to make it sound like they were listening to the forums.
    I'm not really understanding the apathy toward the healer situation. Unbalanced tanks ruin the game for everyone, every dungeon run. A bad healer ruins the run some of the time for some people, and it's unclear if any particular job or encounter design even affects those players positively or negatively. It's just that simple. Getting the message out here could inspire someone on Twitter to talk about it, or perhaps even someone with more influence.

    And if you don't think it's a problem then please inform your dear leader who makes YouTube videos for a living laughing the problem up as the joke that it is. I'd laugh too if I thought dev incompetence was funny.

    At least Xenosys gets paid and he doesn't even defend the game. Forum users seemingly do it without compensation for no reason??? This is a well agreed upon problem.

    And just to be ultra clear-- yes there are edge cases of tanks and healers who can't get it together even as things are now. Yet time has shown dumbing down the game hasn't made those players disappear. It's almost like certain people are just going to play non optimally or badly no matter what. So make the roles engaging and balanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    I'm not really understanding the apathy toward the healer situation. Unbalanced tanks ruin the game for everyone, every dungeon run. A bad healer ruins the run some of the time for some people, and it's unclear if any particular job or encounter design even affects those players positively or negatively. It's just that simple. Getting the message out here could inspire someone on Twitter to talk about it, or perhaps even someone with more influence.

    And if you don't think it's a problem then please inform your dear leader who makes YouTube videos for a living laughing the problem up as the joke that it is. I'd laugh too if I thought dev incompetence was funny.

    At least Xenosys gets paid and he doesn't even defend the game. Forum users seemingly do it without compensation for no reason??? This is a well agreed upon problem.

    And just to be ultra clear-- yes there are edge cases of tanks and healers who can't get it together even as things are now. Yet time has shown dumbing down the game hasn't made those players disappear. It's almost like certain people are just going to play non optimally or badly no matter what. So make the roles engaging and balanced.
    Ah yes, lets gloss over the fact that I said I think healers should be more engaging, naught but 4 posts before your's, that I am in AGREEMENT with healers needing a better kit that isn't just "Spam your DPS button over and over and over and over and over again, oops, tank lost 5% of their HP better use a small oGCD." You clearly focused on the "tanks require healing skills because bad healers" part, and then assert this ridiculous notion that I watch someone I could care less about? I don't watch ANY XIV Youtuber outside of MTQ for guides when I don't have the time to blind prog the run myself with friends. We wouldn't have the issues of tanks needing healing for themselves if everyone did their job right, but here we are, we have DPS who can't even do simple AoE rotations, healers who don't use any healing and just play as a green DPS, and then tanks who somehow never learned how to press more than 5 buttons.

    I wholeheartedly agree that they should stop dumbing down the game, I genuinely hate each and every single update that simplifies a job past the point of necessity, just so they can get the lowest common denominator to play the job. I'd love to revert some of the changes to jobs to give them back their mechanical complexity, it'd return what made this game genuinely fun sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaFranku View Post
    Ah yes, lets gloss over the fact that I said I think healers should be more engaging, naught but 4 posts before your's, that I am in AGREEMENT with healers needing a better kit that isn't just "Spam your DPS button over and over and over and over and over again, oops, tank lost 5% of their HP better use a small oGCD." You clearly focused on the "tanks require healing skills because bad healers" part, and then assert this ridiculous notion that I watch someone I could care less about? I don't watch ANY XIV Youtuber outside of MTQ for guides when I don't have the time to blind prog the run myself with friends. We wouldn't have the issues of tanks needing healing for themselves if everyone did their job right, but here we are, we have DPS who can't even do simple AoE rotations, healers who don't use any healing and just play as a green DPS, and then tanks who somehow never learned how to press more than 5 buttons.

    I wholeheartedly agree that they should stop dumbing down the game, I genuinely hate each and every single update that simplifies a job past the point of necessity, just so they can get the lowest common denominator to play the job. I'd love to revert some of the changes to jobs to give them back their mechanical complexity, it'd return what made this game genuinely fun sometimes.
    Then why are you trying to silence a movement designed around rebalancing the game in alignment with your own preferences? Are people not protesting right enough for you? Doesn't really make any sense.

    If you're only in the thread to say it's all pointless, then thanks I guess? Someone made a YouTube video about it already with over 3k views.

    Imo, this one of the rarest forms of criticism the forums have ever seen. It's coherent, respectful, devoid of childish outbursts. What's not to like exactly?
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-11-2024 at 07:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaFranku View Post
    Again, that's less than a single percentage point of the player base, not even 0.04%, it's popular on here because there probably isn't even a thousand people browsing the NA forums.
    Any survey taker would love to have 1000 people give their opinion to give a representation of the overall population.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    Aero 2 wasn't removed, it is directly upgraded to Dia. And in DT WHM offense kit looks to tbe best it's ever been.
    Wasn't Aero 2 a cast with a 12 second dot at some point? Separated from regular Aero?

    Glare IV being available for 3 casts is fine but it will do little to fix the Glarespam. 3 casts of glare every two minutes is a minuscule variance in GCD usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Wasn't Aero 2 a cast with a 12 second dot at some point? Separated from regular Aero?

    Glare IV being available for 3 casts is fine but it will do little to fix the Glarespam. 3 casts of glare every two minutes is a minuscule variance in GCD usage.
    Aero gets upgraded to to Aero 2 at level 46, through the Aero Mastery trait.
    Then Aero 2 gets upgraded to Dia at level 72, through the Aero Mastery 2 trait.
    Aero/Aero2 duration was a bit lower in the past. I think 18 seconds, but that is from memory. But it's been 30 seconds for years now.
    The separate Aero was Aero 3, you could stack Aero 2 with 3.

    And yes, Glare spam is an issue. But the 1 extra DoT (Aero 3) we had in the past wouldn't fix that either. And Fluid Aura was hardly ever used, I don't miss that at all. The fix to WHM dps rotations isn't found in the past as far as I'm concerned.
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    Before StB introduced "Mastery" traits, Aero 2 was indeed a separate DoT with higher potency, but shorter duration. And you could stack both Aero and Aero 2.
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    By chance, is anyone going to put this hashtag in the party finders? I know a lot of players don't check social media for FFXIV, so something needs to be said in the game itself. I would recommend Fellowship, but it's not popular at all. (Though someone could technically still put one up for a shoutout.)
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