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  1. #1231
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    Xiala Narian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katish View Post
    So using your logic against you, it's fine for tanks to gain party healing and self healing to the point of replacing healers...okay, so it should also be fine that healers get the tank treatment and be able to fill in the tank role while also having a similar dps kit to the tanks. Again, your words not mine.
    Tanks are not replacing healers lmao you are delusional. Leave the conspiracy nonsense behind and come back when you're ready to be serious.
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  2. #1232
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Frankly I’m convinced the people so vehemently opposed to this are just acting contrarian/trolling rather than stating an actual opinion.

    No reasonable person makes a post in a forum thread to say ‘ how dare you not like this thing I like …’
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  3. #1233
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    Tanks are not replacing healers lmao you are delusional. Leave the conspiracy nonsense behind and come back when you're ready to be serious.
    You don't dungeon enough or do healerless extremes like I do, troll better. In fact, I can run one with you right now if you need irrefutable evidence LEL.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    1: Healers need something to do when they aren't healing, the lousy one button dps experience and occasional second just is not enough.
    2: The sustain of the nonhealer jobs has taken our job from us...which has left us nothing to do besides our lousy one button dps experience.
    3: We do not need most of the healing buttons...a lot of those buttons can straight up be removed or consolidated. Which would be a good thing to consolidate using the new sys.
    4: Pure & Shield means nothing and having any combination of the two is just overkill.

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    Komi Shouko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katish View Post
    So using your logic against you, it's fine for tanks to gain party healing and self healing to the point of replacing healers...okay, so it should also be fine healers get the tank treatment and be able to fill in the tank role while also having the tank dps kit. Again, your words not mine.
    The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

    A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun_Vivant View Post
    search for "#FFXIVHEALERSCAB" and educate yourself
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  6. #1236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

    A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.
    100% I am okay with clemency, it has a cost toward the Paladin and doesn't always guarantee a save. But did they really need all the regens and stuff for free 82+, those I have an issue with. Note: I also play all the tanks and see the bigger picture for what it is. Ghimlyt Dark does not see those given it's a 70 dungeon, so the Paladin might struggle to continue the fight...but on dungeons 82+ I can guarantee you that it becomes very very easy to do.
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    Last edited by Katish; 06-12-2024 at 10:56 PM.
    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    1: Healers need something to do when they aren't healing, the lousy one button dps experience and occasional second just is not enough.
    2: The sustain of the nonhealer jobs has taken our job from us...which has left us nothing to do besides our lousy one button dps experience.
    3: We do not need most of the healing buttons...a lot of those buttons can straight up be removed or consolidated. Which would be a good thing to consolidate using the new sys.
    4: Pure & Shield means nothing and having any combination of the two is just overkill.

  7. #1237
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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    The problem is that you either have it your way and any time a healer F'd up and die its a wipe unless the boss is almost dead and you punish the all party for the healer mistake or you gives the party a chance to succeed.

    A few month ago i had a Ghimlyt Dark run where the healer dc'd mid fight on last boss nobody got mad when the paladin started to keep us alive with clemency quite the opposite actually.
    If a tank DC's the team struggles just as much, if not more. Singling out healers for a "but what if they DC" is not fair. And Clemency isn't the main problem, a PLD spamming Clemecy to keep a team alive through AoE's is far worse than a healer with strong AoE heals. The main issue is all the ogcd/inherent healing from tanks.
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  8. #1238
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    You know, people keep saying stuff like "You're a drop in the ocean" and "You can be replaced", you know what I say to that? "Don't threaten me with a good time". Someone else mind-numbingly mashing 1 on their keyboard while I have actual gameplay? Yes, all of my yes. Take the healer role, I don't want it, you'd be doing me a favour.
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  9. #1239
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I find it cute that people think this will actually do anything meaningful (and I'll willingly eat my words if it turns out it does). We have a sea of over 1 million active players right now, and that's going to spike when DT comes out. The group going on "strike" is barely a grain of sand in comparison (several of whom have already in other threads pointed out they already rarely do roulettes or play outside of pre-made static or FC groups). Other people will just see that healer queues have gone from instant 95% of the time to instant 95.1% of the time (actually, they won't even notice that) and just take the insta-queue. I think people seem to be forgetting that once WoW went all-in on esports, FFXIV became the go-to MMO for relaxed, casual players who couldn't care less about people going on "strike."


    The 2024 Annual Awards for Most Unique Ways to Complain About Vocal Minorities goes to...

    Striker44!
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  10. #1240
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    Janine Beckinsale
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    No, it's the tank saying "I want to do your job for you because I can". Because that's what tanks are thinking when they do it.
    I can't speak for all Tank players (and I hope you'll forgive my choice of words) but that's an utterly paranoiac and insane way of thinking. Unless you weren't serious of course.

    Tanks have tools to reduce the amount of damage they take and thus their chances of dying (and wiping the group), they simply use them, trying to be as efficient for the group as they can be (as all party members should).

    Now, I can agree that some of these tools are borderline overpowered, if not completely, but I very much doubt the whole "Tanks using cooldowns is a way to assert dominance on puny weak useless healers."
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