7.0 DPS Wishlist

[HappyHubris]

They're right, DRG has no bloat. DRG being busy is why it's fun. If someone doesn't like busy jobs they have plenty of less busy jobs to choose from.



DRG has the same number of buttons as DNC, which you have listed as your main job. They are both on the lower end of job abilities at 29, including role actions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._in_endwalker/

This is sort of misleading. The presence of buttons doesn't mean that they are pressed as part of the core rotation or likely abilities. For example, on BRD there are multiple buttons that almost never get pressed in raids. And healers barely touch a big portion of their kit, focusing on oGCD healing.

[CidHeiral]

This is sort of misleading. The presence of buttons doesn't mean that they are pressed as part of the core rotation or likely abilities. For example, on BRD there are multiple buttons that almost never get pressed in raids. And healers barely touch a big portion of their kit, focusing on oGCD healing.

Anyone who cannot comfortably fit DRG's abilities on their keybinds clearly has no clue how to properly keybind their abilities.

[Supersnow845]

Anyone who cannot comfortably fit DRG's abilities on their keybinds clearly has no clue how to properly keybind their abilities.

I’m more interested in trying to figure out which “many buttons” a BRD isn’t pressing in raids considering almost all of it AOE damage is incidental except for like 3 skills

[HappyHubris]

I’m more interested in trying to figure out which “many buttons” a BRD isn’t pressing in raids considering almost all of it AOE damage is incidental except for like 3 skills

This should be pretty obvious (also "multiple" not "many" is the quote):
1. Foot Graze is requires targets that can and should be bound.
2. Leg Graze requires targetable mobs whose speed is relevant.
3. Head Graze requires mechanics that it can target.
4. Peloton can be used on pulls but cannot be executed during a raid fight.
5. Warden's Paean requires dispellable debuffs that the healers cannot make time to clear.
6. Arm's Length requires a relevant mechanic.
7. Repelling Shot can be useful for positioning, but it's fight-dependent and is affected by your ability to anticipate where to stand in advance.

I wouldn't consider any of these to be "bloat" to be removed (well maybe foot graze/leg graze consolidation), but it shows the difference between "class buttons" and "active buttons." I'd also challenge any "push this cooldown for a flat damage attack" to be enriched with decisioning or flavor.

[Big-Isaac]

Anyone who cannot comfortably fit DRG's abilities on their keybinds clearly has no clue how to properly keybind their abilities.

I said "comfortably"
Obviously there are enough spaces for everything, but the 4.5-step combos together with the oGCD count make it extremely annoying to fit DRG into the way I have my binds set up. And no, I'm not expecting SE to design jobs around my unconventional keybinds; that comment was only a small part of my post.

I'm more confused why the people who complain about "ridiculous button bloat" (on jobs that aren't all that bloated) always, always want to remove buttons that might not be the most bombastic abilities but keep their rotations consistently interesting, rather than the superfluous but flashy oGCD you just press on cooldown once a minute or two.

Well I did suggest condensing DRG's jumps, most of which are fire-and-forget oGCDs

[CidHeiral]

I said "comfortably"
Obviously there are enough spaces for everything, but the 4.5-step combos together with the oGCD count make it extremely annoying to fit DRG into the way I have my binds set up. And no, I'm not expecting SE to design jobs around my unconventional keybinds; that comment was only a small part of my post.

Thank you for elaborating.

This illustrates a common theme in threads like this across social media. "Button bloat" or "too busy" complaints are almost always an issue with the player, not the job. As the person above correctly said, jobs shouldn't be redesigned to cater to those players while ruining the job for everyone else. The game has a wide variety of jobs, it's okay that they don't all appeal to everyone or suit everyone's playstyle/keybinds/whatever.

[rawker]

As the person above correctly said, jobs shouldn't be redesigned to cater to those players while ruining the job for everyone else. The game has a wide variety of jobs, it's okay that they don't all appeal to everyone or suit everyone's playstyle/keybinds/whatever.

aka Endwalker Summoner

[Big-Isaac]

The point is that a job can have bloated, inefficient design regardless of its raw button count, and DRG is a good example. I don't see how tightening up a job's design and making it more efficient is the same as "ruining" it.
If you disagree, then please point out how the changes I proposed in that original post would make current DRG worse.

[CidHeiral]

The point is that a job can have bloated, inefficient design regardless of its raw button count, and DRG is a good example. I don't see how tightening up a job's design and making it more efficient is the same as "ruining" it.
If you disagree, then please point out how the changes I proposed in that original post would make current DRG worse.

Your suggestions are just "remove a bunch of abilities and add a proc because I like procs." Your mirage dive suggestion was already implemented a few patches ago and then removed because it was awful. The fact that you don't understand why these are bad ideas for people who love DRG now is exactly my point.

I despise Dancer, I think it's the worst job in the game. I'd rather have my skin peeled off by a rusty cheese grater than play that job. But you know what you don't see me doing? Rolling up to Dancer mains saying "I think they should remove all the procs and make it a static looping rotation like DRG, because that's what I find fun." Regardless of my personal feelings on the job's design there are tons of people who love it just the way it is, so I just write it off as not for me and carry on living my life.

[HappyHubris]

Anyone who cannot comfortably fit DRG's abilities on their keybinds clearly has no clue how to properly keybind their abilities.

This is highly personal preference, though. For example I prefer DRK and WAR to GNB and PAL due to the latter having more abilities to squeeze into my "comfortable keys." BRD is great because I can fit almost everything into four rows of 1-6 / Shift 1-6 / `-F6 / Ctrl 1-6 and Q, E, ,Shft-Q, Shft E.