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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Sorry that was a person replying to you, my point stands though, do you have a class you want me to walk it step by step with you like I just did with DRG
    Your point doesn't stand though. Anything over 24 buttons is extremely bloated. Do you think I view 35 or anything even close to it as a magic number? Like "okay good it's 35 buttons not 36+ buttons this is perfect."?

    If anything your post illustrated that there is bloat because you listed several action buttons that you "shouldn't have on your bars".
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  2. #182
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    Your point doesn't stand though. Anything over 24 buttons is extremely bloated. Do you think I view 35 or anything even close to it as a magic number? Like "okay good it's 35 buttons not 36+ buttons this is perfect."?

    If anything your post illustrated that there is bloat because you listed several action buttons that you "shouldn't have on your bars".
    So why is 24 actions the magical “bloat number”, 24 is perfectly bindable without much effort on both controller systems and other buttons you can conditionally add add flavour, do you really just want to be doing your single target rotation with falloff in AOE

    I’ll also not I never said “don’t put these actions on your hotbar” I said “they shouldn’t take up a primary spot and can be moved to sub hotbars for when they are useful, it’s why we have 12 hotbars on every class

    24 actions being super bloated makes me feel like you are more struggling to prioritise and bind actions in an efficient way than actual button bloat

    Something like SCH that actually sits at 35+ with zero redundant actions is a different story
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    So why is 24 actions the magical “bloat number”, 24 is perfectly bindable without much effort on both controller systems and other buttons you can conditionally add add flavour, do you really just want to be doing your single target rotation with falloff in AOE

    I’ll also not I never said “don’t put these actions on your hotbar” I said “they shouldn’t take up a primary spot and can be moved to sub hotbars for when they are useful, it’s why we have 12 hotbars on every class

    24 actions being super bloated makes me feel like you are more struggling to prioritise and bind actions in an efficient way than actual button bloat

    Something like SCH that actually sits at 35+ with zero redundant actions is a different story
    It's not, it's a number I arbitrarily picked because it is the amount of buttons on the side of an mmo mouse with one alt modifier. If you think of the hardware used for the game it makes sense. You act like action buttons are the only keybinds used in an mmo too.

    The other thing is, you act like all of this isn't entirely subjective. What if I told you that I just don't like how many buttons there are in this game despite really enjoying the gameplay and boss encounters? There is no right answer. It's not an argument. Look at the title of this thread "dps wishlist for 7.0" lol. That's my wishlist, you are free to express yours on your own but it's all just opinion.
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    Last edited by HikariKurosawa; 05-13-2024 at 05:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    Tbh only DRG seems to have this problem.
    DRG doesn't have 36 buttons to bind. It's actually one of the jobs with the fewest buttons. See here and here.
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    DRG doesn't have 36 buttons to bind. It's actually one of the jobs with the fewest buttons. See here and here.
    Kinda weird, it's the only job where I can't fit the whole single target rotation on a single controller bar.
    I guess it has only 3 exclusive AoE skill.
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