Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Right, but the "4 Healers Model" is asking what Casters have.
I didn't talk about "casters" or the "magical ranged DPS role (i.e., casters)" as my reference point. I specifically talked about "Black Mage," a single job. Please, respond to what I wrote, not what you think I wrote or wish I had wrote.

If SMN had a healthy gap between it's skill floor and skill ceiling, a lot of the complaints you see on the forums would go away. But that gap does not exist, so people complain. By comparison, DNC is also an easy class to pick up, but it still has room for optimization -- it has that healthy gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling. And thus, it doesn't get the same level of complaints. This is the point, that a job can be easy to pick up and still provide complexity to those who want it.

You seem to want to accommodate people who pick a role first, and then pick whatever job happens to fulfill their other desires. Fair. I want to be able to pick a job based on its aesthetic -- which can reasonably be expected to be tied into a role -- and then find my other desires fulfilled. Thankfully for me, the latter approach subsumes the former.

SE could give AST, SCH, and SGE stupidly high levels of complexity, and it'd do nothing for me, because what I want is something resembling the not-completely-brain-damaged WHM that I fondly recall from FF1 and FF4.