TOP cleared with no healers

[ForteNightshade]

This is wrong, you know why?

1) This is being used to suggest ALL CONTENT needs to change/is in a state, not just "Savage and Ultimate". So Gemina and anyone else doing those other forms of comment have a say as well.

2) Many people who DO "literally do the content" don't agree with your position.

3) It's also an ad hominem/attack on the messenger fallacy. What is wrong with HER ARGUMENT? Anyone can say "you don't know what you're talking about", she could say that about you. That's why it's a logical fallacy. You either can say why someone's argument is wrong or you cannot.

1) This thread and the discussion of TOP pertains to high end content. Furthermore, pretty much everyone has acknowledged changes to the healer design, be they a more flushed out DPS kit, actual healing requirements or some combination of the two wouldn't impact casual players because they wouldn't have to use them in the content they partake in. We needs only look to Heavensward and even Stormblood to see that.

2) Just like in the other thread, you're once again arguing semantics and simply using a different modifier that makes your argument sound better without actually presenting a rebuttal. You have no idea "MANY" who do the content feel anything is wrong with healers. Meanwhile, I do have ample evidence "some" do considering it's been the biggest talking point alongside the two minute meta this entire expansion. Any other word is just semantics.

3) I suggest you look up that fallacy. Gemina directly mentioned that being a source of criticism she's received. Therefore, it was apart of her argument hence my response. Now, you're correct. She could say that about me. I, however, have prove of actually healing high end content. So it wouldn't exactly get her very far. So if that's why "it's a logical fallacy". Congratulations on proving why it doesn't apply in this context.

But even taken at face value, her lack of participation in Savage/Ultimate is still relevant to the discussion because she's dismissing any sort of criticism towards the healing design and insisting this is merely an "exception to the rule." As Sebazy as pointed out, we have several examples that it isn't. Sure, Zodiark is a far cry from TOP but the point of contention people have isn't just the content itself but that it's even possible to clear any endgame content, especially high end difficulties, without a healer.

Put simply, it isn't the clear itself that's the problem but a launching pad for discussing the flaws in both content and healer design that allows for it to even happen in the first place. This can and has included overall healing such as the abundance given to tanks as another contributing factor.