Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Caro178]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

[crystallineAbyss]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

Or the gay miqo and highlander from the Wanderer's Palace Hard unlock, or the Rising npc from the year before who talked about her wife. Or the fact there are many black and brown elves in this game.
Why are they playing this when women can run around in pants, men in dresses, and same gendered players can marry each other.
god forbid someone wants more inclusive animation.

[Gemina]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

Last I checked these are all NPCs whose feelings aren't getting hurt by exclusive sitting poses. That would be the overly sensitive folk within this thread.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another aren't complaining about those NPCs and situations in the game. We may not support those decisions, but it is what is and we move on.

[Joven]

Last I checked these are all NPCs whose feelings aren't getting hurt by exclusive sitting poses. That would be the overly sensitive folk within this thread.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another aren't complaining about those NPCs and situations in the game. We may not support those decisions, but it is what is and we move on.

Mostly because all of that isn't constantly and blatantly shoved in our faces at all times.

In the case of the fae, they aren't even human so appying the human binary on them wouldn't make sense.

[Bunnycake]

Last I checked these are all NPCs whose feelings aren't getting hurt by exclusive sitting poses. That would be the overly sensitive folk within this thread.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another aren't complaining about those NPCs and situations in the game. We may not support those decisions, but it is what is and we move on.

Yet you said

On the opposite end, I was quite happy with how feminine my new poses are, and that my character can embrace her own femininity. I couldn't even begin to tell you how much I would hate it if my character just manspreaded, forcing me to cpose out of it. Disgusting.

[PyurBlue]

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

Both sides are trying to claim they're arguing from a point of wanting uniqueness, so that's not getting us anywhere. That's the semantics problem here. Your idea of uniqueness is boring and odd character limitations in my eyes. My idea of uniqueness is devaluing the point of distinct races in your eyes.

Your comment on forgoing existing uniqueness only came about after I replied to you. Your original comment was

"Don't yall know by now? Many won't be satisfied til nothing is tied to a gender n the game is fully neutral. Wanting things to stay as they currently are n wanting some uniqueness is "cringe n sickening".

Wake up people "

Maybe you still meant the same thing, but I read that was wanting uniqueness is seen as cringe. It's not, as character uniqueness is what I want to see.

Wait, what "role" are you being "forced" to play? That's one of the weirdest takes I've heard on here yet.

When it comes to locked emotes, your character is basically locked or forced into a given personality. Highlander emotes are all expressive and non subtle for instance. You may desire to play a highlander that is less emotional or very formal, but then your emotes don't fit.

That why people don't like locked emotes, etc. In a game where you're supposed to define your character, why are we arbitrarily limited to a handful of options? Especially when the developers only have finite resources. Some people have suggested just making more exclusive poses, but I feel like that's such a waste. The developers go through the effort of making 50 poses, maybe 5 of which are perfect for your character, but you can't have them because reasons and instead get 5 poses that mean absolutely nothing to you. Just give us all 50 and let us choose what's best.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another...

I wouldn't consider how I sit to have anything to do with defining my sex.

Will we need an "other" gender in the game for folks who feel "forced" to pick between male or female currently? Surely you see what's wrong with that logic?

If people want it I'm not against it, although one difference here, the devs may very well put more work on themselves separating emotes and poses than by just giving them to everyone. How true that is depends on how the game is coded, but we know that emotes can work for everyone. The most basic request in this thread is pretty trivial in terms of what it demands from the devs.

I mean, if comfort varies from person to person then that level of comfort is unique to that person, no?

It's funny how on point this is. This is the crux of the entire thread. That people vary on an individual basis, yet in game this sometimes isn't captured because of locked content.

As for my take on the whole thing: I feel like it's unecessary to have every thing needing to be distributed to every race/gender/role/what have you, but if they did it wholey wouldn't bother me.

Video games as a whole are unnecessary in the first place. This isn't about need as much as it is wanting a better game. I feel like if players are being given the choice to create their characters, we shouldn't have to deal with arbitrary limits. Male and female range of motion is nearly identical. It makes gendered emotes just seem weird.

[Gemina]

Yet you said

And? Is there supposed to be some kind of a point you're trying to make? I stated an opinion in my initial post. Nothing more. You don't see me or anyone else starting threads complaining about these NPCs, marriages in game between same sex couples, or any of the other virtue signaling that the game is filled with. If something in the game bothered me so much that I start talking nonsense like it affects the sake of my comfort and ruins my enjoyment, I would just unsub.

I wouldn't consider how I sit to have anything to do with defining my sex.

And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though. There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms. "Masculine" meaning associated with the male sex, and "Feminine" being associated with the female sex. When a female does, says, or acts in a way that is behavior typically associated with a man, it is considered masculine. If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'. Then there's the manspreading, which has taken on that name for a reason. A female sitting like this does not make her a man. But in my view, it does make her disgusting.

Such a shame I have to spell this out. Sad, really. I'm not even sure most of you even know what feminine and masculine even is. All evidence to the contrary.

Anywho, carry on folks.

[Bobby66]

And? Is there supposed to be some kind of a point you're trying to make? I stated an opinion in my initial post. Nothing more. You don't see me or anyone else starting threads complaining about these NPCs, marriages in game between same sex couples, or any of the other virtue signaling that the game is filled with. If something in the game bothered me so much that I start talking nonsense like it affects the sake of my comfort and ruins my enjoyment, I would just unsub.


And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though. There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms. "Masculine" meaning associated with the male sex, and "Feminine" being associated with the female sex. When a female does, says, or acts in a way that is behavior typically associated with a man, it is considered masculine. If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'. Then there's the manspreading, which has taken on that name for a reason. A female sitting like this does not make her a man. But in my view, it does make her disgusting.

Such a shame I have to spell this out. Sad, really. I'm not even sure most of you even know what feminine and masculine even is. All evidence to the contrary.

Anywho, carry on folks.

Why does any of this matter? Maybe I am blind, but if a man sits a certain way all I see is a man sitting. I can tell you for one no thought of masculine or feminine ever cross my mind. Not trying to come off as an ass but it is scary that you have put this much thought into. I mean end of the day don't people normally sit in a way that is most comfortable? Does comfort have to have some masculine or feminine traits?

[PyurBlue]

And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though.

I misunderstood then, that's on me.

There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms.

Yes, but they're social constructs. Rather flimsy ones that vary with culture and time, to the point where they become contradictory. I mentioned some of these contradictions before either in this thread or another one. Pink has been male and female. Heels have been male and female. Makeup has been male and female. I don't care if you or anyone else wants to follow these rules, that's a personal choice. What's appropriate for me or my fictional characters is up to me though, and I feel like in a RPG style game with character customization it only makes sense to give me control over all aspects of my characters. The devs will do what they want, it's their game, but some of their decisions are going to be more or less popular with some people.

[Iscah]

If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'.

Even the game in its current state is not that strict. Male Elezen, Au Ra and Miqo'te all have model-specific sitting poses with legs crossed tight, one knee hooked over the other leg. Male Viera (not exactly an argument for keeping genders strictly defined) have a demure hands-folded-in-lap pose alongside a more masculine one. Im not sure if anyone uses the figure-4 pose, at least out of the characters I've tested.