Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Joven]

Aren't most requests made of the devs rooted in some desire of need or want? Not saying one has to be in favor of it, but making request out of a desire or need is pretty much how many requests come to light. I have not followed 100% but I did not see much of being it is unfair more so that they would like it to be added or changed.

Oh yeah I agree it was done for a reason, and only they know the reason. That said, I do not think it started off as it is wrong or needs fixing, but may have turned into that as it has gone on. Idk this seems like any other request made on the forums, yet like the whole hide glamour thing it seems like it has become a personal crusade for some to rally against it.

Hopefully it is and remains in the realm of a want since nothing is needed as it's a video game, though I do agree that it does tend to get out of hand how far people take it to oppose something.

Edit: I don't mean that as I hope it never gets fulfilled or anything, just that people don't actually feel like they absolutely NEED this to be a thing.

[Bunnycake]

Last I checked these are all NPCs whose feelings aren't getting hurt by exclusive sitting poses. That would be the overly sensitive folk within this thread.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another aren't complaining about those NPCs and situations in the game. We may not support those decisions, but it is what is and we move on.

Yet you said

On the opposite end, I was quite happy with how feminine my new poses are, and that my character can embrace her own femininity. I couldn't even begin to tell you how much I would hate it if my character just manspreaded, forcing me to cpose out of it. Disgusting.

[Bobby66]

Hopefully it is and remains in the realm of a want since nothing is needed as it's a video game, though I do agree that it does tend to get out of hand how far people take it to oppose something.

Edit: I don't mean that as I hope it never gets fulfilled or anything, just that people don't actually feel like they absolutely NEED this to be a thing.

Oh I figured as much, I do agree that people should be framing requests just as that a simple request. Not something is needed for one to reach enjoyment of the game, but more so as a means to enhance or enrich personal enjoyment.

[PyurBlue]

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

Both sides are trying to claim they're arguing from a point of wanting uniqueness, so that's not getting us anywhere. That's the semantics problem here. Your idea of uniqueness is boring and odd character limitations in my eyes. My idea of uniqueness is devaluing the point of distinct races in your eyes.

Your comment on forgoing existing uniqueness only came about after I replied to you. Your original comment was

"Don't yall know by now? Many won't be satisfied til nothing is tied to a gender n the game is fully neutral. Wanting things to stay as they currently are n wanting some uniqueness is "cringe n sickening".

Wake up people "

Maybe you still meant the same thing, but I read that was wanting uniqueness is seen as cringe. It's not, as character uniqueness is what I want to see.

Wait, what "role" are you being "forced" to play? That's one of the weirdest takes I've heard on here yet.

When it comes to locked emotes, your character is basically locked or forced into a given personality. Highlander emotes are all expressive and non subtle for instance. You may desire to play a highlander that is less emotional or very formal, but then your emotes don't fit.

That why people don't like locked emotes, etc. In a game where you're supposed to define your character, why are we arbitrarily limited to a handful of options? Especially when the developers only have finite resources. Some people have suggested just making more exclusive poses, but I feel like that's such a waste. The developers go through the effort of making 50 poses, maybe 5 of which are perfect for your character, but you can't have them because reasons and instead get 5 poses that mean absolutely nothing to you. Just give us all 50 and let us choose what's best.

Those who are against blurring and obscuring the lines that define one sex from another...

I wouldn't consider how I sit to have anything to do with defining my sex.

Will we need an "other" gender in the game for folks who feel "forced" to pick between male or female currently? Surely you see what's wrong with that logic?

If people want it I'm not against it, although one difference here, the devs may very well put more work on themselves separating emotes and poses than by just giving them to everyone. How true that is depends on how the game is coded, but we know that emotes can work for everyone. The most basic request in this thread is pretty trivial in terms of what it demands from the devs.

I mean, if comfort varies from person to person then that level of comfort is unique to that person, no?

It's funny how on point this is. This is the crux of the entire thread. That people vary on an individual basis, yet in game this sometimes isn't captured because of locked content.

As for my take on the whole thing: I feel like it's unecessary to have every thing needing to be distributed to every race/gender/role/what have you, but if they did it wholey wouldn't bother me.

Video games as a whole are unnecessary in the first place. This isn't about need as much as it is wanting a better game. I feel like if players are being given the choice to create their characters, we shouldn't have to deal with arbitrary limits. Male and female range of motion is nearly identical. It makes gendered emotes just seem weird.

[Gemina]

Yet you said

And? Is there supposed to be some kind of a point you're trying to make? I stated an opinion in my initial post. Nothing more. You don't see me or anyone else starting threads complaining about these NPCs, marriages in game between same sex couples, or any of the other virtue signaling that the game is filled with. If something in the game bothered me so much that I start talking nonsense like it affects the sake of my comfort and ruins my enjoyment, I would just unsub.

I wouldn't consider how I sit to have anything to do with defining my sex.

And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though. There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms. "Masculine" meaning associated with the male sex, and "Feminine" being associated with the female sex. When a female does, says, or acts in a way that is behavior typically associated with a man, it is considered masculine. If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'. Then there's the manspreading, which has taken on that name for a reason. A female sitting like this does not make her a man. But in my view, it does make her disgusting.

Such a shame I have to spell this out. Sad, really. I'm not even sure most of you even know what feminine and masculine even is. All evidence to the contrary.

Anywho, carry on folks.

[Bobby66]

And? Is there supposed to be some kind of a point you're trying to make? I stated an opinion in my initial post. Nothing more. You don't see me or anyone else starting threads complaining about these NPCs, marriages in game between same sex couples, or any of the other virtue signaling that the game is filled with. If something in the game bothered me so much that I start talking nonsense like it affects the sake of my comfort and ruins my enjoyment, I would just unsub.


And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though. There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms. "Masculine" meaning associated with the male sex, and "Feminine" being associated with the female sex. When a female does, says, or acts in a way that is behavior typically associated with a man, it is considered masculine. If a man sits with his legs crossed, and folds his fingers over his knee, this is considered being effeminate because females are known to sit that way, not men. The masculine way for a man to sit is to place the ankle of one leg on the knee of his other leg in a 'figure-4' manner'. Then there's the manspreading, which has taken on that name for a reason. A female sitting like this does not make her a man. But in my view, it does make her disgusting.

Such a shame I have to spell this out. Sad, really. I'm not even sure most of you even know what feminine and masculine even is. All evidence to the contrary.

Anywho, carry on folks.

Why does any of this matter? Maybe I am blind, but if a man sits a certain way all I see is a man sitting. I can tell you for one no thought of masculine or feminine ever cross my mind. Not trying to come off as an ass but it is scary that you have put this much thought into. I mean end of the day don't people normally sit in a way that is most comfortable? Does comfort have to have some masculine or feminine traits?

[PyurBlue]

And it would be ridiculous if you did. That's not what I'm saying though.

I misunderstood then, that's on me.

There are still masculine, and feminine mannerisms.

Yes, but they're social constructs. Rather flimsy ones that vary with culture and time, to the point where they become contradictory. I mentioned some of these contradictions before either in this thread or another one. Pink has been male and female. Heels have been male and female. Makeup has been male and female. I don't care if you or anyone else wants to follow these rules, that's a personal choice. What's appropriate for me or my fictional characters is up to me though, and I feel like in a RPG style game with character customization it only makes sense to give me control over all aspects of my characters. The devs will do what they want, it's their game, but some of their decisions are going to be more or less popular with some people.

[WP1990]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

The fact that I didn't even know this existed means it never was shoved in my face hence not the problem. The fact that you even pointed this out just to try and debate my stance proves where your head is. Make no mistake, I don't give a flying **** what people do in their personal lives. The moment a group of radicals try to tell me how to think, ignore my biology, reality and, force that ideology on to me or someone else is where I draw the line. SE knows better than to take the woke train because they are a corporation with much more grounded cultural ties hence why they get my sub. Also they are not fools and fully understand the business implications of treading that path. So stay in your echo chamber. I will stay in reality where I don't need to use my "pronouns" to prove to my friends what *** I am lol. And to the haters about to flame me. I lift my mug filled with your tears. PEACE!

[Raoabolic]

The fact that I didn't even know this existed means it never was shoved in my face hence not the problem. The fact that you even pointed this out just to try and debate my stance proves where your head is. Make no mistake, I don't give a flying **** what people do in their personal lives. The moment a group of radicals try to tell me how to think, ignore my biology, reality and, force that ideology on to me or someone else is where I draw the line. SE knows better than to take the woke train because they are a corporation with much more grounded cultural ties hence why they get my sub. Also they are not fools and fully understand the business implications of treading that path. So stay in your echo chamber. I will stay in reality where I don't need to use my "pronouns" to prove to my friends what *** I am lol. And to the haters about to flame me. I lift my mug filled with your tears. PEACE!

"SE knows better"
I remember when people said that about WoW and then 9.1.5. dropped, lol.

[Enjuden]

I'm guessing you missed the entire zone of nonbinary Fae folk who go by they/them, the Steppe Xaela Au Ra lore about gender, the new female NPC who uses male emotes and weapon poses and, well, the list of a hundred glamours that are no longer gender exclusive including dresses, high heels and bathing suits. I think you're a bit late on cancelling your sub, lmao.

Yes, the person who was literally a voidsent is suddenly defining themselves as nonbinary. Obviously. Because that's important. And the Faefolk clearly care about gender and not other things.

Lol. Lmao