Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Iscah]

The problem with checkboxes and opt in/out ideas is that any choice you make is another piece of character data that needs to be transmitted to every other person you interact with, and their choices transmitted to you.

The current system only needs to relay a single piece of information about your pose: a specific number (say, 0-4, where 0 means randomise and 1-4 indicate specific poses). Change that to a customisable list and now you need a different structure of information: 0: yes/no, 1: yes/no, etc. – you need a lot more information, especially once you multiply it by everyone on your screen, and it increases if more poses are added.

In the grand scheme of things, that would be better used for transmitting more actual details of how our character looks, rather than micromanaging a list of poses where the simpler option is just to pick one that you like. (Or, as I said earlier, fix it so you can type a text command to manually change to the pose you want.)

[crystallineAbyss]

The problem with checkboxes and opt in/out ideas is that any choice you make is another piece of character data that needs to be transmitted to every other person you interact with, and their choices transmitted to you.

The current system only needs to relay a single piece of information about your pose: a specific number (say, 0-4, where 0 means randomise and 1-4 indicate specific poses). Change that to a customisable list and now you need a different structure of information: 0: yes/no, 1: yes/no, etc. – you need a lot more information, especially once you multiply it by everyone on your screen, and it increases if more poses are added.

In the grand scheme of things, that would be better used for transmitting more actual details of how our character looks, rather than micromanaging a list of poses where the simpler option is just to pick one that you like. (Or, as I said earlier, fix it so you can type a text command to manually change to the pose you want.)

See, this is a valid criticism of it because it would end up being a lot compared to the system we currently have. I was thinking based on the current minion and mount roulettes - which wouldn't be from scratch - and how they've been adding /cpose to stuff like fashion accessories. For the randomized toggle, I figured it'd be easier to just use a favorite poses system (like mount roulette) but that is a fair restriction that could cause issues.

It would be ideal, but I don't know how much work a rework would be in the end since I'm never going to know their workflow for this kind of thing, even with how transparent they are. I absolutely am on board with the numbering of cposes so you can skip to the one you want, though. I wish it was that if we have to stick to the current system! It's definitely preferable to missing the one you want and having to cycle back through everything all over again.

[PyurBlue]

I think you miss the point. Things as they are are unique. If everyone has access to something regardless of race and gender what was once unique is now no longer. If everyone has access to Roe emotes they are no longer Roe emotes. Theyre everyones. That's the point. I'd rather have more options for each race and gender that are still just for each race and gender. I like that me being a Highlander means something. I have things other races don't. And they have things I don't. N that's ok. Nothing wrong with it nor do I feel that needs to change.

(Highlanders are rare enough as it is anyways)

This is starting to get tangled in semantics. I originally replied to you because you said that the side wanting more options/unlocks was against uniqueness. I explained why that was wrong. We can disagree on what contributes to feelings of uniqueness, but I don't think there is any avoid that many asking for expanded options are doing it to break away from the conformity created by locked emotes.

When it comes to race uniqueness though, are poses really the biggest contributor on the list? What about looks? If poses were universal, a highlander is still going to stick out from an aura exactly as much.

This is an extremely tall order. They would need to go back and rework literally hundreds of gear sets from previous expansions and the cash shop, as well as hairstyles and certain character models before they could even come close to parity on features, much less think about adding everything to everyone. We're talking on the scale of in a couple expansions they might be able to have everything ready like you're proposing

Some things take time. FF14 is an evolving game anyway. It's typically a good sign if the developers are making improvements. I'd much rather see that they have plans for the future instead of just leaving old flaws unaddressed. With there being a planned graphics overhaul, this might even be the ideal time to work on these things.

Let me ask this, why should others be forced to cycle through cpose? Why demand something that a select few want, and now everyone has to deal with, whether they like it or not?

What makes you think it's only a select few that wants more options? Also what about the people that are inconvenienced now by the selection of poses? There is probably a range of opinions between "I like everything about every pose" and "I will not use auto cpose at all".

The current system only needs to relay a single piece of information about your pose: a specific number (say, 0-4, where 0 means randomise and 1-4 indicate specific poses). Change that to a customisable list and now you need a different structure of information: 0: yes/no, 1: yes/no, etc. – you need a lot more information, especially once you multiply it by everyone on your screen, and it increases if more poses are added.

You might know more than me, but I don't see why a custom list would require more data to be sent. If what currently happens is sending one of 5 numbers, wouldn't a list just add a 6th or greater number to the same packet of data?

I think this would have to be the case with poses especially because we can select them manually. Every time we do, that information needs to be sent to the server. I'd think auto cpose would do the same thing. It doesn't send the entire list including which poses it's not currently using, it just sends info on what pose is in use.

[Iscah]

You might know more than me, but I don't see why a custom list would require more data to be sent. If what currently happens is sending one of 5 numbers, wouldn't a list just add a 6th or greater number to the same packet of data?

I think this would have to be the case with poses especially because we can select them manually. Every time we do, that information needs to be sent to the server. I'd think auto cpose would do the same thing. It doesn't send the entire list including which poses it's not currently using, it just sends info on what pose is in use.

To be clear, I am just guessing. But I think it would depend where the randomising is being calculated.

If it's being done at your end and then transmitted each time you change pose, it wouldn't change. But that seems inefficient to have to keep sending new numbers every X seconds.

But if what it does is send the instructions on how to pose your character, and then let the other computer deal with generating a random number pose to shift to each time, then it would need more detailed instructions if it has to skip over some of the possible poses.

[IkaraGreydancer]

This is starting to get tangled in semantics. I originally replied to you because you said that the side wanting more options/unlocks was against uniqueness. I explained why that was wrong. We can disagree on what contributes to feelings of uniqueness, but I don't think there is any avoid that many asking for expanded options are doing it to break away from the conformity created by locked emotes.

When it comes to race uniqueness though, are poses really the biggest contributor on the list? What about looks? If poses were universal, a highlander is still going to stick out from an aura exactly as much..

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

[crystallineAbyss]

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.

My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

[crystallineAbyss]

My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

Yet the new sits are separated by gender. The whole crux is uniqueness. Again I don't feel they need to make each one available to both genders. Them being how they are makes them unique.

You can't say it's not about other things then use other things as a reason to even ask for this in the first place. That very much means it's all linked so it's not off to bring up said other stuff. I'll say it again, there is literally nothing unfair about these new sit poses and how they've implemented them. By all means continue to ask for these things to be neutral, just understand that some don't want or need this. That's all