Ungendered sit poses, please?

[IkaraGreydancer]

This is starting to get tangled in semantics. I originally replied to you because you said that the side wanting more options/unlocks was against uniqueness. I explained why that was wrong. We can disagree on what contributes to feelings of uniqueness, but I don't think there is any avoid that many asking for expanded options are doing it to break away from the conformity created by locked emotes.

When it comes to race uniqueness though, are poses really the biggest contributor on the list? What about looks? If poses were universal, a highlander is still going to stick out from an aura exactly as much..

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

[crystallineAbyss]

I'm not arguing semantics. Much of what I said is factual. Nowhere did I claim poses are the biggest factor but they are a big one that's quite noticeable. You're missing the point. Obviously highlanders and au'ras will always look different, the point is said races should have more things unique them than simply how they look physically. They should retain exclusive access to their own gear, poses and emotes.

Oh and btw I said the side asking to make things neutral are trying to forgo the uniqueness already present to make things unique only in the way they personally want

It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It's literally just gender based animations where gender neutral animations exist and have always existed. It is not making everything neutral, it's just a small selection of things that don't touch racial uniqueness. You're missing the entire point and are conflating the homogenization of racial uniqueness with making things more fair by gender regardless of what gender you play as.

My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

[crystallineAbyss]

My point wasnt towards the OP first n foremost. I'm not conflating anything. Not once did I claim OP wants everything to be neutral. But there's others that do and that's what I'm addressing due to earlier posts.

The only thing that isn't fair when it comes to gender that i can think of off hand is outfit distribution on the mogststion as females for sure get more there. And that's not even the topic of discussion. As things are with emotes and poses the situation is fair. Both gender have sits that that other doesn't have in equal amount. What isn't fair there?

The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The entire reason for me making this thread was to talk specifically about gendered sits. This is not the place to talk about unlocking racial animations, as that is not the point. People have derailed taking gender neutrality into racial neutrality and implying it's the same thing and arguing it when again: it's just the new sits they implemented with 6.3.

And here's the thing: they've been making the female glams available for men with recent updates including this last one. And vice versa. Women can now run around in the Valentione's suit, and men can wear stuff like the songbird costume and the Dirndl dress. The entire precedent for asking for this kind of thing is due to the fact they have been granting access to gear regardless of gender. I wish they wouldn't do stuff like the Neo Ishgardian set and give us a choice of which to wear, but that's not what this is about.

It's about letting people have access to any of the sitting poses released in 6.3 Nothing to do with racial animations. Just the stuff they released nearly two weeks ago.
That's it.

Yet the new sits are separated by gender. The whole crux is uniqueness. Again I don't feel they need to make each one available to both genders. Them being how they are makes them unique.

You can't say it's not about other things then use other things as a reason to even ask for this in the first place. That very much means it's all linked so it's not off to bring up said other stuff. I'll say it again, there is literally nothing unfair about these new sit poses and how they've implemented them. By all means continue to ask for these things to be neutral, just understand that some don't want or need this. That's all

[crystallineAbyss]

Yet the new sits are separated by gender. The whole crux is uniqueness. Again I don't feel they need to make each one available to both genders. Them being how they are makes them unique.

You can't say it's not about other things then use other things as a reason to even ask for this in the first place. That very much means it's all linked so it's not off to bring up said other stuff. I'll say it again, there is literally nothing unfair about these new sit poses and how they've implemented them. By all means continue to ask for these things to be neutral, just understand that some don't want or need this. That's all

It's not uniqueness when they're arbitrarily locking stuff based on gender. This issue is more like the unlocking of gendered clothing than it is stripping races of their unique animations. They arbitrarily separated the animations. They can fix that if they want because there are a Lot of people who want this fix.

And there is no one holding you at gunpoint to use this. It's literally about people who would want this, and there's nothing unique about gender restrictions and it's a bad precedent to set when they're being more inclusive in other fields.

[Joven]

It's not uniqueness when they're arbitrarily locking stuff based on gender. This issue is more like the unlocking of gendered clothing than it is stripping races of their unique animations. They arbitrarily separated the animations. They can fix that if they want because there are a Lot of people who want this fix.

And there is no one holding you at gunpoint to use this. It's literally about people who would want this, and there's nothing unique about gender restrictions and it's a bad precedent to set when they're being more inclusive in other fields.

Why isn't it uniqueness to have stuff locked to a gender? And it's not a "fix" because it's not broken. It's working how they intended it to.

On a side note: it's not like guys sit that way because they think it's "cool". We kind of have to sit like that.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It's not uniqueness when they're arbitrarily locking stuff based on gender. This issue is more like the unlocking of gendered clothing than it is stripping races of their unique animations. They arbitrarily separated the animations. They can fix that if they want because there are a Lot of people who want this fix.

And there is no one holding you at gunpoint to use this. It's literally about people who would want this, and there's nothing unique about gender restrictions and it's a bad precedent to set when they're being more inclusive in other fields.

Are you thinking before you type? I don't mean that as an insult either. It's a FACT that things being exclusive makes them unique. Don't matter how you or I feel about it.
It's clear where your head is when you claim the way it is now is broken and needs fixing. Nothing is broken. They made this choice for a reason and it works as intended.

Never said anyone was holding me at gunpoint for anything. Why so extreme? I simply like the idea of my Highlander have exclusive things. Again you saying there's nothing unique about gender restrictions is factually false. Also sets a bad precedent? For what? This ain't the real world and the game isn't going to cater to your whim nor mine at every turn. Not everything needs to be and is going to be inclusive. Just how it is