Ungendered sit poses, please?

[DRHaymaker]

Sure, there's no definite ways to please everyone. But they are still trying to make the game customizable as possible.

Again, sitting isn't an aspect of character customization.

How you sit/idle/ect IS a way to customize your character believe it or not.

Having an emotional investment into every single possible aspect of your character doesn't make it a customizable feature, it just makes you emotional, even unreasonable the stronger you feel about it, and insufferable to everyone else listening to it.

Some people prefer

Having a preference doesn't entitle you to have it. Like I said, this isn't even about the do's and don'ts, but the can'ts. A lot of people prefer to have something different in various aspects of life, but people learn to to appreciate the things they DO have. That's called being an adult.

You think in black and white and I will politely, but firmly start asking you to at least think in CMYK when you know doggone well they didn't answer anything at all lmao.

You literally asked them a question that had 2 choices - feminine and masculine. If it's not one, it's the other. You're not as smart and nuanced as you think you are.

[Padudu]

You literally asked them a question that had 2 choices - feminine and masculine. If it's not one, it's the other. You're not as smart and nuanced as you think you are.

Too lazy to quote entirely you cos, lazy. So again: yeah I literally asked them a question and they didn't answer it. Never said or think that I'm smart lmao, but they deflected with their answer. I'm sorry you can't seem to accept that I can, in fact, call out their answer as a shitty one. Because it is.

And honestly, my points just boil down to what Bobby is asking: why insist you don't care about ungendering the sits when you argue this passionately about it? Like obviously you either care or you don't right lol.

You are not compelled to break the ToS. This is such an obnoxious, childish "I don't take full responsibility for my own decisions/actions" statement.

No one is forcing you to download mods either. Those animations are already included - play the other sex if you want it that badly.

Sure I worded it shitty, but point still stands that modding the game doesn't solve the problem lol. Your answer previous to that one is just as obnoxious. /shrug

Why should I have to play as male to put my hands behind my head? I play as female because I can and want to. Putting your hands behind your head isn't like, an exclusively male thing. Why do you care so much about people wanting to ungender positions lmao?

...no. Objectively, you do not play the game if you're sitting around and talking. That's literally just called chatting. Emoting does not transform it into gameplay.

Mmm, part of the MMO experience is the chatting/emotes/socials otherwise they wouldn't cater to that side. QoL changes include housing items, adding emotes, being able to dye undyable outfits.

Again, sitting isn't an aspect of character customization.

You can literally customize the way you sit and stand, so yes, it is apart of character customization. If you can change it, you can customize it. Doesn't matter if it works apart from the character creation menu, clothing, ect.

Having a preference doesn't entitle you to have it. Like I said, this isn't even about the do's and don'ts, but the can'ts. A lot of people prefer to have something different in various aspects of life, but people learn to to appreciate the things they DO have. That's called being an adult.

Bro it's a game that we all pay into and pay for. I'm happy with their progress with making things more customizable and gender neutral; I would like to further enhance my experience by supporting the suggestion they ungender idles and sits. No one is demanding (or perhaps I should just say, for myself I am asking). We are asking lmao. So again, why is the adult in you thinking that sitting criss-cross-applesauce or squatting unfeminine or impossible to add for the opposite sex? It doesn't even have to be lalafell squatting; just ungender the animations between the races. Let female miqotes squat too.

[DRHaymaker]

Too lazy

Your first paragraph can really be summed up with this.

And honestly, my points just boil down to what Bobby is asking: why insist you don't care about ungendering the sits when you argue this passionately about it?

Who has said "They don't care about ungendered sitting poses"? And once again, like I said to him, feeling passionately about something doesn't entitle you to anything. You're never going to express more feelings to inflate the numbers of the extreme niche audience you claim to be speaking for.

Sure I worded it shitty, but point still stands that modding the game doesn't solve the problem lol. Your answer previous to that one is just as obnoxious. /shrug

It's not a problem.
No one is forcing you to download mods.
Tough luck.

I play as female because I can and want to.

And CBU3 made it the way they did because they could and wanted to. How are you on the same level as them using that excuse?

Why do you care so much about people wanting to ungender positions lmao?

Because I'm tired of people catering to the mentality of children that want what they can't have, and are perpetually unhappy. I defend the devs decisions to have SOME gender/race specific aspects.

Mmm, part of the MMO experience is the chatting/emotes/socials otherwise they wouldn't cater to that side. QoL changes include housing items, adding emotes, being able to dye undyable outfits.

Haha, decoration, emotes, and being able to color your armor is not a QoL feature. QoL features are things that you can ALREADY DO, but made easier, IE an UI improvement, or coloring the text differently.

You can literally customize the way you sit and stand,

You chose one of # options. Those options will never be unique to someone else who also chose those options. I won't be continuing to entertain these assumptions. You can romanticize "I sit a different way" as "character customization" all you want, but just, no.

I'm happy

You're not. We're 22~ pages in, and you're not.

It's never enough. Everything is progress with you people. Nothing is ever good/great, everything "could be better" or "a good first step". There is always something you realize you don't/can't have. It's never something that has a strong impact on people, it's always something some four figure amount of people out of the MILLIONS that play want, and it's always the same emotionally based arguments for it; "Why are you against something that makes other people happy?" "You don't even care." "How does it harm you?".

Enough of you people.

[Padudu]

Based on the fact that they give you a sample pool of emotes during character customization to show off the race/gender's personalities. If you went through that whole process and clicked accept then you were drawn to that race/gender as they were presented. Deciding after the fact that they somehow don't conform to how you want to play them in your head is wholey on you.
The same could be said for your anecdotal "many more players" you've allegedly spoken to about this. At least the forums are a somewhat measurable metric, unlike your hearsay. I could just as easily say I've talked to many people who think the idea of allowing each gender to use the other's emotes is dumb.

Idk why I missed this, oops.

Lmao you can't preview the sits or anything like that. They added *more* options to how you can sit, so not sure why picking male/females means you're determined to forever not want the male positions.

Dude you realize we're doing the same amount of conjecture right?? Also, your friend absolutely sucks at searching for these things. Tell them to do better. Let's look exclusively at the swaps:

The forbidden mod to add emotes to everyone sits at 4.9K downloads, 25.3k views. Male Miqote Squat to Female Miqo Squat: 13.1k views, 3.5k downloads. Somewhere there are fem --> male or male --> female swapped job idles, victories, ect that sit more or less around the same numbers. Hardly insignificant IMO, definitely not as low as you're making it seem. They are, unfortunately, splintered across multiple mods; booty mod being at higher views doesn't really invalidate the fact that gender swaps/animations are particularly high in view, even when they're newer.

I haven't read everything, so this might have been pointed out by anyone already, but I'd like to share my two cents.

One of the reasons why I (and maybe some other people) wouldn't like such an option is... There's a feature that automatically rotates all the poses every X seconds. Many characters would be forced to use those poses, so it's not as simple as "don't like it, don't use it".

Idk, they didn't have an issue have adding them; also don't see why it would be hard to tweak the issue at all or even why it *would* be an issue at all. It's literally just sit positions.

Who has said "They don't care about ungendered sitting poses"? And once again, like I said to him, feeling passionately about something doesn't entitle you to anything. You're never going to express more feelings to inflate the numbers of the extreme niche audience you claim to be speaking for.

Okay, but why are you in particular passionate about NOT getting ungendered swaps? Or even, why are you, in particular, passionate about arguing against them when they do nothing for you?

Oh, I see..

Because I'm tired of people catering to the mentality of children that want what they can't have, and are perpetually unhappy. I defend the devs decisions to have SOME gender/race specific aspects.

Lmao. "People are asking for MORE things for the game they pay for so I have to CRY about it." I can defend them having racial traits - like Miqo with fangs/tribal markings, Au'ra will always have horns, ect. Sitting with your legs crossed, squatting, or one leg over the other isn't a race/gender thing. It's just a thing.

Haha, decoration, emotes, and being able to color your armor is not a QoL feature. QoL features are things that you can ALREADY DO, but made easier, IE an UI improvement, or coloring the text differently.

But those are QoL lmao. It's literally adding to a feature for no other reason other than "it's nice to have". QoL doesn't exclusively have to be improvements to make shit easier; it can literally just be adding features/items/dyes/whatever to add more into whatever feature they're adding. i.e making it so that the orchrestion music that plays in Island Sanc. permanent instead of resetting everytime you leave the instance, is a QoL feature.

It's never enough. Everything is progress with you people. Nothing is ever good/great, everything "could be better" or "a good first step". There is always something you realize you don't/can't have. It's never something that has a strong impact on people, it's always something some four figure amount of people out of the MILLIONS that play want, and it's always the same emotionally based arguments for it; "Why are you against something that makes other people happy?" "You don't even care." "How does it harm you?".

Enough of you people.

You seem to have a personal problem lol. Of course we can always strive to do better or add more. We're 10 years down the line, it is a game made from a successful corporation, and it is still a MMO. There's no slapping it and saying, "Yep! This is the game. That's it. That's all we have."; they literally said this game will continue. It will continue to have new features, new expansions, ect. So yes, of course people want more. We are paying for that. And it's the same arguments because literally it doesn't affect you. If SE added ungendered sits in like, say a patch, you wouldn't give a shit. You only do because people here are asking on the forums and then they get a little heated when they get hit with: "b-but OP, it's unfeminine to manspread."

[DRHaymaker]

They added *more* options to how you can sit, so not sure why picking male/females means you're determined to forever not want the male positions.

No one is saying you can't want something, just you can't have it. If anything you just admit what I'm saying - it's never enough..

Male Miqote Squat to Female Miqo Squat: 13.1k views, 3.5k downloads. Somewhere there are fem --> male or male --> female swapped job idles, victories, ect that sit more or less around the same numbers. Hardly insignificant IMO

First of all, views don't matter - they're irrelevant. Second, downloads don't tell the whole story. UNIQUE downloads do. However, that is not a stat that's covered, so it's not unreasonable to say people have downloaded it multiple times. Again, like I said, a 4 figure number vs 8 figures.

Okay, but why are you in particular passionate about NOT getting ungendered swaps? Or even, why are you, in particular, passionate about arguing against them when they do nothing for you?

Like I said - same tired predictable arguments. Not only that, but it's literally the same tactic as the masculine/feminine question. I already answered, if you didn't find it satisfactory, that's a you problem.

"People are asking for MORE things for the game they pay for so I have to CRY about it."

We both pay for the game, so there's literally nothing you or others have on me monetarily.

I can defend them having racial traits [...] But those are QoL lmao.

No. Objectively wrong. Again, your emotional investment does not transform what things are.

no other reason other than "it's nice to have".

That's a weak argument that can be literally used for anything. There's a lot of things that are "nice to have" that you can't have just because it'd be nice to have. It's a circular argument.

[DRHaymaker]

QoL doesn't exclusively have to be improvements to make shit easier

That's literally the defining feature of QoL, be it visually easy to distinguish (a checkmark next to a collectable, or color text/symbol to denote damage type), or reduce the number of clicks (2~ click gathering crops/animal stuff on the island vs 80~). You have an objectively incorrect idea of what QoL means. And you KNOW this, because your example of your music resetting is LITERALLY you not having to click multiple times every time you want to change the music.

You seem to have a personal problem

Personal? No. Insufferable, obstinate people that don't understand what they're talking about and entire argument, whatever it is, boils down to, "But why?" is a lot of people's problem

Of course we can always strive to do better

You don't even understand the terms you're using, why should people listen to you when you determine something is "better"?

And it's the same arguments because literally it doesn't affect you.

Wrong, it does. Like people said, you can cycle through different stance/sitting poses. What if people don't want to use those poses? What if people don't want to see females squatting or leg's akimbo, or the female equivalent on males?

You do realize the game is rated T, right? While they can't fully control online interactions, they can control what they put out there. I don't think a girl squatting with her knees/legs spread out would fall under the T rating, ESPECIALLY the Lalafell.

If SE added ungendered sits in like, say a patch, you wouldn't give a shit.

Again, I don't know where you're getting this narrative from.

[Clover_Blake]

also don't see why it would be hard to tweak the issue at all or even why it *would* be an issue at all. It's literally just sit positions.

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

[DRHaymaker]

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

Using their own logic against them never works. It's only useful for people that stand on their own principles.

[Padudu]

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

And since it's just sitting positions and our character poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue that we do get them.

Ur point?

[Clover_Blake]

And since it's just sitting positions and our character poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue that we do get them.

Ur point?

Not my point. Yours. You're the one who stated that, I'm afraid.

I already voiced how it is an issue for me. My characters' poses are not "just poses".