Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[Azuri]

I do think it's a issue that BLM would be 1% infront of the other casters, my main point which is apparently hard to understand is:

>In Progression, You generally would care about what you would bring for learning the fight because that's the most difficult part about savage, hence theoretically taking a more mobile job with a party raise such as Summoner would easily be your best option, while taking something like a BLM for insignificant damage increase, meaning the extra damage doesn't really make up for any mistakes in rotation or anything like that, While a BLM who's at least a bit more then "1%" ahead would at least be way more useful at recovering damage for peoples mistakes, you also can't make fight checks required enough so that RDM/SMN cannot clear or become a detriment to a dps check.

>In farm/reclears, You've already beaten the fight no one is going to care about using a BLM doing a extra "1%" because you likely got gear, less mistakes are going to happen ect, at that point no one will really care aslong as the job you got gets it done.

I think this really hits a problem with casters, while the uniqueness and design choice of certain casters bringing utility vs damage is good, it's not really balanced at all, for classes such as BLM, you can't have one job do practically everything that BLM already brings, has mobility, utility ect. then give the BLM a tiny damage advantage that's also not "good balance"

And it has been said to you times and times again that no, "no one will care" is not the case. Both from the point of the rest of the group caring about it and forcing people to swap and both from the point of the player themselves, knowing that they can be doing more damage even if they were quite bad at BLM compared to perfect play RDM/SMN.

[Rithy255]

And it has been said to you times and times again that no, "no one will care" is not the case. Both from the point of the rest of the group caring about it and forcing people to swap and both from the point of the player themselves, knowing that they can be doing more damage even if they were quite bad at BLM compared to perfect play RDM/SMN.

If a cleared group is forcing someone to switch off RDM/SMN even though they cleared already, in the situation where RDM does 1% less, that's a problem with the group, the idea theirs going to be actual groups that do that is insane.

I don't think i see reclear groups force people into BLM currently, despite being miles ahead of both other casters, at least not from what I've seen also BLM is very underplayed Like i've said hundreads of times, making RDM/SMN be 1% off Black Mage isn't a magic fix, instead of buffing summoner/rdm it's more making BLM useless.

I guess Summoner and Red mage players feel entitlement, that they should be bastions of utility, Summoners should just be super mobile and easy to pick up. but it's ok! people will use blm for reclears! because some groups will force smn/rdm off for a extra 1%! do you have any idea what you're talking about?

If you're aim is to make RDM/SMN 1% off black mage you need to fundamentally change both SMN/RDM or Black mage.

[Azuri]

If a cleared group is forcing someone to switch off RDM/SMN even though they cleared already, in the situation where RDM does 1% less, that's a problem with the group, the idea theirs going to be actual groups that do that is insane.

I don't think i see reclear groups force people into BLM currently, despite being miles ahead of both other casters, at least not from what I've seen also BLM is very underplayed Like i've said hundreads of times, making RDM/SMN be 1% off Black Mage isn't a magic fix, instead of buffing summoner/rdm it's more making BLM useless.

I guess Summoner and Red mage players feel entitlement, that they should be bastions of utility, Summoners should just be super mobile and easy to pick up. but it's ok! people will use blm for reclears! because some groups will force smn/rdm off for a extra 1%! do you have any idea what you're talking about?

If you're aim is to make RDM/SMN 1% off black mage you need to fundamentally change both SMN/RDM or Black mage.

Sigh. We've been through that. Yeet that trash utility and give us the one "utility" that matters. Damage.

[Rithy255]

Sigh. We've been through that. Yeet that trash utility and give us the one "utility" that matters. Damage.

Well you're missing half the arguement, as mithron said it would be balanced to keep RDM/SMN the same just buff it's damage to 1% behind and call it balance, good job for missing my point I guess.

Like I said I personally dislike the idea of ruining jobs for the sake of more damage, ruining what makes then unique and any semblance of identity, I'm sure people wanna play a game where the only thing that makes a job unique from another is a different flavour.

But yes removing smn/rdm utility would be a easy fix, likely would be "balanced", Would it be good for the game? likely not it will just make it more boring and they'll further remove stuff that makes jobs stand out for the sake of balance, But at the end of the day if that's your goal and you want balanced damage numbers more then a intresting game that's on you and that's what you'd like so I can't complain.

Either way My main point you completely missed either only reading that post, not the posts before that was You can't just buff smn/rdm in their current state to be 1% behind or even closer BLM and expect to call that balance.

EDIT:
Also I'm not going to discuss removing raise, I already said it would be better to balance without raise, just less interesting or fun for the game. That's more a personal thing to me more then "ideal" balance for the game.