Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[CKNovel]

Or they could properly balance the Jobs and MCH would only do ~1% less than BRD/DNC

If MCH did 1% less than BRD/DNC, why would you ever want a MCH?

To be fair, if the difference was only 1%, we would fall within the "all jobs can clear" situation.
MCH would still be at a lower value but still better than this current abomination...
This doesn't means I agree with Firemage, simply that 1% difference is better than the current situation.
The problem would still exist with MCH being 1% below, just that it would be a smaller problem.

By the way, we prouved difficulty can be subjective using "Walking" and "climbing a mountain".
No words from our lord of facts and absolute truth? Or are we going to the next step: "Walking" and "Building a space ship"?

[Mithron]

To be fair, if the difference was only 1%, we would fall within the "all jobs can clear" situation.
MCH would still be at a lower value but still better than this current abomination...
This doesn't means I agree with Firemage, simply that 1% difference is better than the current situation.
The problem would still exist with MCH being 1% below, just that it would be a smaller problem.

It would be absolutely better, but MCH needs to be doing BLM/SAM levels of damage, not BRD/DNC. This is operating under the mindset Firemage has of 3-5% DPS differences, which might be fine, but if you're playing a selfish DPS and know you're contributing less than someone who can also buff others, it feels terrible and ruins your fun.

[bubblesbutternut]

ok so here is the thing hot take here....... if lets say example here first job does 1 percent more damage than second job if i find the second job more fun i will do moh damage because i enjoy the job i would honestly say a 1 percent damage difference is not something to scream about if you enjoy the job

kinda like how i think pld is more fun over playing dk even when dk was stupid strong i just didnt like the animation cancel you could with dk coz it felt like you were lagging your sandals of

[FireMage]

that'sthejoke

If MCH did 1% less than BRD/DNC, why would you ever want a MCH?

Because 1% is very insignificant. See that's the point. The dev team must balance around two ideals: Any standard comp can clear and proper balance. The former basically makes it so that proper balance tiers must be squished to such that even from the ceiling to the floor of optimization that everything is still relative to one another

[FireMage]

It would be absolutely better, but MCH needs to be doing BLM/SAM levels of damage, not BRD/DNC. This is operating under the mindset Firemage has of 3-5% DPS differences, which might be fine, but if you're playing a selfish DPS and know you're contributing less than someone who can also buff others, it feels terrible and ruins your fun.

Selfish DPS or not is irrelevant. rDPS is your DPS, the only difference is that you need to worry about other people pushing buttons for it, but in a high end setting that's a non factor. MCH being at practically the top would do nothing but spit on every other Job given it's sheer amount of ease of play. It belongs at the bottom with SMN, which again would with proper balance still be viable because ~5% from top to bottom isn't a big deal and would be better balance than we've ever had

[Mithron]

Because 1% is very insignificant. See that's the point. The dev team must balance around two ideals: Any standard comp can clear and proper balance. The former basically makes it so that proper balance tiers must be squished to such that even from the ceiling to the floor of optimization that everything is still relative to one another

1% is very significant. Proper balance proves it.

Selfish DPS or not is irrelevant. rDPS is your DPS, the only difference is that you need to worry about other people pushing buttons for it, but in a high end setting that's a non factor. MCH being at practically the top would do nothing but spit on every other Job given it's sheer amount of ease of play. It belongs at the bottom with SMN, which again would with proper balance still be viable because ~5% from top to bottom isn't a big deal and would be better balance than we've ever had

Why is SAM top rDPS and MCH bottom rDPS when they're both selfish DPS?

Incoming logical fallacy about how running on a side walk is harder than walking up a mountain.

[FireMage]

Why is SAM top rDPS and MCH bottom rDPS when they're both selfish DPS?

Incoming logical fallacy about how running on a side walk is harder than walking up a mountain.

SAM wouldn't be top, BLM would be. And MCH and SMN have similar difficulty. Citing difficulty is not a logical fallacy, but strawmanning is, so if you wish to hold ground you should not make guides to the Emerald City

[FireMage]

Opinions ≠ factual statements.

Precisely, I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts

Why should MCH do less than DNC/BRD? In what world is that ok? MCH doesn't bring any raid benefits to the table...they are literally a pure dps job. If they were within 1% of DNC and BRD there would be ZERO reason to take a MCH into the group.

Because MCH is easier than both. That would be its proper tax. 1% is only a factor at the very top of play

[Ransu]

Precisely, I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts



Because MCH is easier than both. That would be its proper tax. 1% is only a factor at the very top of play

DNC and BRD bring raid utility, MCH does not.......making MCH do less dmg than them because its "easier" to play is literally the dumbest idea in the world. Thank God you're not a game developer.

[FireMage]

DNC and BRD bring raid utility, MCH does not.......making MCH do less dmg than them because its "easier" to play is literally the dumbest idea in the world. Thank God you're not a game developer.

DNC and BRD are also harder than MCH. Being lower satisfies proper balance and being close in potential satisfies viability. Imagine crying "utility" over Curing Waltz/Minne/Paean