Let's redefine "damage taxes"

[Aikaal]

Might wish to do a bigger deep dive and see my tank and healer parses when helping out others. Try again. Also ad hominem, has no actual impact on balance knowledge. You are dismissed

With what, your 1 clear of each fight on SAG on the previous tier and you're one clear on the first 2 fights on WHM suddenly makes you an expert at saying MCH and SMN should do lower DPS than RDM and RDM should be in the middle?

Or is it the one Eden's Prime / Eden's Promise clear you got on PLD the last expansion that makes you an expert?

Do you know why I'm confident when I say it's easy mode on melee in Endwalker? I played Melee in Stormblood. A significant amount of melee. Do you know why I'm not making many claims on tanks and healers? I certainly have WHM clears https://www.fflogs.com/character/na/...Global&zone=44 but it isn't because I played it seriously. Spamming Glare isn't exactly difficult and doesn't make me a good healer.

Again, you should stick with what you know because should someone manage to completely destroy any credibility you have (which just happened), people will no longer take you seriously. You can still post just fine but you should make a RDM focused thread and stick to it.

The same logic as before: Every job is braindead until your start to optimize the most ridiculous gain.
This is the only depth of the game and the only aspect that requires knowledge of the game when it comes to jobs.
You brought data and solid argument and have nothing more to prove, I believe everyone agrees with you.

Thought I offer you a friendly advice:
Don't make the same mistake as me and waste energy into convincing a biased individual that their own job is conveniently harder than the others.
You're simply facing someone who's jealous of your performance and clears, trying to lower you on their own level to beat you.

Oh, no worries, I saw all the posts so I opted to show everyone why he shouldn't be consider x__x that's the best option at this point.

[FireMage]

Again, you should stick with what you know

And what I know is balance. Someone doesn't even need to touch XIV to be able to read and understand parse data, t-cup

[Mithron]

And what I know is balance. Someone doesn't even need to touch XIV to be able to read and understand parse data, t-cup

You still say MCH should be at the bottom and job difficulty dictates balance, so no you clearly don't, but back to ignoring you outside others beating you at your own logical fallacies lmao

[Ivtrix]

And what I know is balance. Someone doesn't even need to touch XIV to be able to read and understand parse data, t-cup

You have in no way shape or form, proven that you know anything about balance of this game. All of your incoherent ramblings have led me to surmise that you do not, in fact, have any semblance of what you are doing. You are so confidently incorrect that you might as well rename yourself to “Dunning-Kruger”. You have been made a fool of several times, especially by Aikaal, who in fact brings solid evidence to iterate his points and it is clear by the way he presents himself he will know more about the balance of this game that you ever will. I award you no points, and may God have mercy upon your soul.

You are summarily dismissed.

[Aikaal]

You have in no way shape or form, proven that you know anything about balance of this game. All of your incoherent ramblings have led me to surmise that you do not, in fact, have any semblance of what you are doing. You are so confidently incorrect that you might as well rename yourself to “Dunning-Kruger”. You have been made a fool of several times, especially by Aikaal, who in fact brings solid evidence to iterate his points and it is clear by the way he presents himself he will know more about the balance of this game that you ever will. I award you no points, and may God have mercy upon your soul.

You are summarily dismissed.

[Lyth]

It goes like this. The job which does the highest damage for the least effort ends up being the most populated. They end up becoming the most vocal faction in online discussions, and often end up promoting claims of their own job's supposed 'difficulty' while disparaging that of other jobs.

The problem is that the dev team take the loudest statements at face value, without evaluating why people make those claims in the first place. They then simplify the supposedly difficult job, and everyone is surprisedpikachu that their favorite job is being mistreated so. Mid to late expansion, players actually start trying out other jobs and discover that they were not as simple as originally claimed. They start asking questions about why the balance is so grossly skewed, and then we start seeing adjustments in the correct direction.

And you're right, it's been going on since Stormblood and 4.2's Unga Bunga at the very least.

[Kalaam]

People who think jobs that are more complex should be doing the most damage think they are competing with their own team, instead of working together to defeat the boss.
It's a team game, if you want to adjust power based on kit complexity, talk about that in the PvP forums, where it actually matters.

[FireMage]

You still say MCH should be at the bottom and job difficulty dictates balance, so no you clearly don't

Me saying those things is an indicator that I know how balance actual works actually. Try again

You idiots who thinks MMOs should have same balance as other competitive games like League needs to gtfo.
20 years of MMO and I've never seen people argue FOR "balance based on difficulty", only here in ffxiv, only recently, perhaps due to how every single popular online game has bronze-master tier ranking system.
Who the fuck are you even competing against?

I have heard multiple, good arguments as to why "balance based on difficulty bad", including how it would have a negative impact on the game and it's community.
I have not heard of a single good argument for this "balance based on difficulty good" side, other than like 3 people crying "but how else can i show off how elite i am?"

You haven't as none exist. RDM competes with the other DPS, MNK competes with the other DPS, EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS. Not balancing on difficulty does nothing but punish those that excel at higher complexity Jobs

[CKNovel]

You haven't as none exist. RDM competes with the other DPS, MNK competes with the other DPS, EVERY DPS COMPETES WITH THE OTHER DPS. Not balancing on difficulty does nothing but punish those that excel at higher complexity Jobs

Factually wrong
Due to the role bonus, you will always have to pick at least 1 melee, 1 caster and 1 ranged for the sake of efficiency.
You have 1 flex spot that will most likely be taken by a melee as they offer more value to the group.

Therefore:
Melees compete for 2 spots among melees jobs.
Casters compete for 1 spot among casters jobs.
Rangeds compete for 1 spot among ranged jobs.

If all DPS competes with all DPS, then we would have 4 melees meta.

I still refuse to debate with you but correcting your so called "facts" will remain my guilty pleasure.
While remaining polite and not being personal of course.

I suggest you try to understand why everyone here disagrees with your takes.

[AmiableApkallu]

Due to the role bonus, you will always have to pick at least 1 melee, 1 caster and 1 ranged for the sake of efficiency.

That's true only if the roles are sufficiently close to each other in DPS.

If melees get sufficiently ahead of casters, for example, the melee advantage would overcome the 1% role bonus for bringing the caster, making it worthwhile to forgo the caster.

You need to balance within a role to ensure that no job gets locked out. You need to balance between the roles to ensure that no role gets locked out.

(I'm sure this has all been said before.)