VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Allegor]

I mean, the hoodie could've been slightly shorter to avoid tail clipping, or have the bun thingy painted over and let the tails poke through it. Heck, it even looks like it's just painted over because it stretches when you run - at least on a Hroth, it goes from bun tail to baboon butt.

If anything, it's the audacity that 3 races have to sacrifice their actual tails so the other 5 can pretend to have one

[SturmChurro]

I mean, the hoodie could've been slightly shorter to avoid tail clipping, or have the bun thingy painted over and let the tails poke through it. Heck, it even looks like it's just painted over because it stretches when you run - at least on a Hroth, it goes from bun tail to baboon butt.

If anything, it's the audacity that 3 races have to sacrifice their actual tails so the other 5 can pretend to have one

There are many ways they could have made this top WITH tails in mind from the start, but I might take a guess that they designed it on a hyur initially.

The problem is tailed races seem to be an afterthought, even though they collectively encompass the largest portion of the playerbase, as far as I am aware. Luckily, as a viera, I don't have to worry about tail clipping, but the normalization of the removal of racial features in general, and ears especially, definitely does not make me happy. Not to mention female hrothgar will have tails, I presume, so on top of this, they will have another tailed variant.

[Adamantini]

Have you seen the Chocobo outfit with a Miquote or Au'ra? It's horrific.

Exactly, it was never a problem for this to happen in the past, why now? There are ways to make this less awkward, like removing the tail from clothes for races that already have a tail, or painting a fake tail, as mentioned before, etc. It only takes 1 creative mind within the SE, but apparently they must have fired theirs and never hired a new one

don't be fooled, SE don't give a f*** about what's strange, or not. They developed this outfit for Hyur, and passed it on to the other races, so it doesn't have tails or ears.

[Heavenchild]

Don't get me wrong, I think the one face of miqo'te I played and my specific au ra look are also pretty good, but female viera are definitely prettier!

I know what you meant, with the graphical update. Some people have speculated that the older races might get their face-lift sooner even. I'd still rather play viera though.

As I've said, it's 'your personal' taste. :3

[Heavenchild]

I really love it that the tail is gone with that hoodie. In my opinion we should have the choice if we want tails or not, in the character editor, for most of the races.

There are already NPC crossraces like Aymeric (Hyr-Elezen) or that little Miqogirl who has features from both Miqo tribes (eyes AND teeth), so I think it should be okay to allow the players more customization. There are many Viera players who want a tail, and people like me who don't like tails that much. For example I really don't like all the tail-clipping.

And if someone decides for 'tail:yes', than it should be visible most of the time, also on such a hoodie. : 3

I love it, that when I wear that new hoodie and a cap, that I look almost like a human. But to be honest I would like to play a human guy if they would be prettier in FF14. : )

[Adamantini]

In my opinion we should have the choice if we want tails or not, in the character editor, for most of the races.

that would be the key to solving many problems. I would love to have the option of having paws instead of feet on my viera, and maybe even put on a rabbit's tail if I had the option. I don't care about having 4 ears on some clothes, I care more about having mine plucked.

[Midareyukki]

I don't care about having 4 ears on some clothes, I care more about having mine plucked.

It's almost as if in real life, your ears don't magically go away just because you're wearing a hood, mask or tiara.

lol tho, here I am saying "in real life" though this is Final Fantasy.

The point is that racial traits are being an afterthought. Ears should really not be this much of a hassle. Despite the fact that Hyurs really are just a template. Usually, you'd go from the template and then adjust it as it's necessary.

For Elezen you stretch them up, for Lalafell you shrink it down and adjust, Au Ra you take the Elezen model to work out the hips and adjust for horns, Miqo'te have no discernable differences other than the ears and the tail, and finally for Roegadyn you stretch them wide.

I fail to see why adding two more steps to this is so bad. We have 5 races to adjust from the additional template race. It's been like this for years, I fail to see why this is such a problem. Especially when Vieras are the same as Miqo'te, and Hrothgar will be similar to Roegadyn. In general, we've:
- Reduced the amount of dungeons per patch.
- Reduced the amount of time per patch.
- Are getting "delayed" content (Relics used to come out sooner).
- Been told new stuff are on their way when problems with the game persist.

We're not playing Hyurs. If I wanted to play a Hyur, I'd play a Hyur.

that would be the key to solving many problems. I would love to have the option of having paws instead of feet on my viera, and maybe even put on a rabbit's tail if I had the option.

This is going to be controversial, but I agree with some people when they say that adding to customization to that level is the least of our concerns at the moment... to an extent.

Rather, I'm wary of telling "Look, either you want us to fix this or you want us to give you more stuff, you can't have both" and irritate an already irritable dev team (their reactions toward Hrothgar asking for stuff in the past two patches have been lukewarm at best). BUT at the same time, other MMOs do add stuff to their character creation menu over time. Yet for some reason, FF14 only expands their hair collection. The most recent addition that weren't hairstyles was a stubble for Hyur Midlanders.

So while I think that for now we need to focus on bringing both races up to par and exercise patient. And with that, I'll even ask Vieras to not abandon us Hrothgar when Vieras get innevitably finished first... I fear so much for Hrothgar would not have had been done had it not been for Viera players also joining in and help us boost our threads, for better or worse. And these traits must come later.

The issue is that for all this to work, Square needs to stop posturing and work on it, which they aren't for some reason.
Is that reason money? Are they that defunded?
Is that reason technical issues? Is the system truly not designed to expand on player experience while esoteric stuff like umbrellas and the Fellowship system get added?
Is that reason the technicians themselves? Have they been relocated, or are they busy with something else?
Is the reason just "we don't want to"? If so, why not just say so and keep to your word? So far, things have been ambiguous, and saying "It's Impossible" has become synonymous with "not now, eventually, maybe". That's not what "Impossible" means. Be clearer.
Whatever reason, we just don't know.

But we do know the game is capable of so much more. That we races can have so much more. How much does Square need to remove from the game or delay from the game to make room for us any more than what they've already done? And are we even the reason why things get delayed to begin with?

[Allegor]

I'd sacrifice every shoe in the game for paws! Not even our starting racial gear were paws, we were r o b b e d!

[Midareyukki]

I'd sacrifice every shoe in the game for paws! Not even our starting racial gear were paws, we were r o b b e d!

Some erm... shall we call them either "fan fixes" or "non-sanctioned additions", include, but are not limited to:

- Paw-like feet on Hrothgar
- Paw-like hands on Hrothgar
- Whitening of our god-awful yellow-tinged teeth. What are we, the FF14 forums? Delete that garbage yellow hue, in with a white so white it makes White Mages jealous.
- Hair. Just hair. You know you don't need to go overboard when fans do it better than you, do you Square?
- Head gear
- Animations. Not everyone is keen on the hunchback.

[SturmChurro]

As I've said, it's 'your personal' taste. :3

Nope! Objective fact! Female viera are the prettiest.

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I want more customization - within reason. I like a certain sense of continuity and world building. I don't really have the energy right now to fully respond to this. Suffice it to say, I have been in support of mixed races such as Elezen/Hyur in the past. I'd like to see SE put a bigger focus on updating viera/hrothgar, and the graphical update for now though.

I'll even ask Vieras to not abandon us Hrothgar when Vieras get innevitably finished first... I fear so much for Hrothgar would not have had been done had it not been for Viera players also joining in and help us boost our threads, for better or worse. And these traits must come later.

Aww, that's nice to read. I seemed to be at odds with hrothgar players there for awhile, but I was coming from a place of support, even if many hrothgar players didn't like how I worded things. I am a heavily aesthetics oriented player, and even if I don't necessarily like certain things I am still, generally, for more options (again, within reason), whenever available for the players who want them, and the quality of which everyone deserves. Like I have said in the past, I thought viera and hrothgar were in the same boat, and I am pretty sure hrothgar players didn't like me saying that either.