VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Midareyukki]

This is exactly what the buns need (and hrothgar). I think they're so bland when it comes to animation, they need a lot of work done and I hope Square is reading through all of these for ideas!

From what another Hrothgar said, the reason we don't have that is because Square is working with a very specific polygon and bone count. To make these animations, you need ear bones and flexible polygons, like Miqo'te have. I couldn't tell you why Viera don't have them, but it seems for Hrothgar they had to repurpose old Roegadyn polygons and bones elsewhere, leading to static cardboard ears. Repurposing features and aspects of the model isn't new; a lot of the customization you have in character development is just a repurposed menu. And it seems they keep tweaking this aspect to fit newer demands, repurposing stuff and deleting stuff to accomodate for it.

The solution is honestly very simple: just add those in and make these races without old limitations. However, we're unsure whether they can or can't, or if they're unwilling to, or even if they have the know-how on their team to do this anymore. And Square just won't tell us. All they'll say is that it's "too hard". We assume that the eventual lift for these races might address these issues, especially since we're no longer working with 2010 limitations (minimum requirements were increased, PS3 limitations no longer exist, spaghetti code was mostly cleaned up and the engine is different), but that's no guarantee, as Square just won't share any information. The only info we've had so far seems to only affect the textures, and that's not really the same thing as adding stuff to the models.

We know modders are able to do some stuff, but they don't work with those frameworks in mind.

I too would love them to add these, especially for Viera as it would make them just as expressive as Miqo'te are, but with an even more noticeable (and cuter) result. But I'm not Square Enix, and the problem goes beyond creativity. It's technical. As many people said before, they designed things these way and stuck to it. Except now that they realized fans are demanding for more, they try to meet those expectations but still work with their old rules. Whether Square is reading this or not is one thing, them acknowledging that people want this and they need to accomodate their rules for new ideas is another. Because the real problem isn't that they see this. They can see this and just say "it's not possible" or "it will be once we cleared things up in the future". The real problem is that our races are constantly being post-poned important stuff for content they clearly set on their minds to do, and they refuse to acknowledge this. The more they delay "fixing" these races, it will be more stuff they make that will have to be readjusted.

By all means, we should have the priority. Yet we're put at the bottom of the waiting list.

[scelesticscylla]

I was spending some time on twitter and saw this post (I won't disclose the author so he doesn't suffer punishment due to the use of mods).



That's what I'm talking about, when I say that the viera's ears could have more animations. Imagine if this were part of the emotes, it would be awesome!

I'd straight up take those floppy ears as my default ears too thanks, not the sad excuse for "floppy" we have as an option. But I so much agree with viera and hrothgars needing mega love. I took the dive from Miqote to Viera. I don't want to go back now. I love the bun race. But I do not love its lack of hairstyles and headware. Both races deserve to have as much work done to the and with them as the other races. The ears really are stiff, and I was so sad to see that they didnt move with emotes. Buns would be 100% more adorable if their ears emoted with them like Miqotes get. And I do get it, we get to "choose our ears" and it ends up being its own texture and mesh and you would have to redesign every piece of headgear in game (as well as make a hat hairstyle for each type of headgear). But if you plan on releasing a race, id expect the same work that went into the base released races to be done to the new ones. Yes it would take time, yes it would take new meshes specifically for the new races. But this response from the community is to be expected. The races feel half finished. If you arent going to give us the ability to wear current hats and hairstyles already in game and available to the other races, the least that could be done is any future headgear and hairstyles be released for both races respectively. But even with that, I would like to see the team work on it on the side to slow add in the mesh and texture support for the old hairstyles and hats, even if its done in small batches.

[ArtyTheHrothgar]

I SAW THEM !!!!
EARS !!!




FELLOW HROTHGARS ... We got our ears back !

[ronibosch]

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A glimpse of hope?! (Thanks for re-uploading this, because the live letter video quality is crap for me.)

[SturmChurro]

I like the idea of jewelry like that for viera ears at least.

[Adamantini]

I like the idea of jewelry like that for viera ears at least.

they are pretty. But for men, I'd prefer something rougher

[SturmChurro]

they are pretty. But for men, I'd prefer something rougher

Why not both? Oh.. right.

[Adamantini]

Why not both? Oh.. right.

[ronibosch]

I was spending some time on twitter and saw this post (I won't disclose the author so he doesn't suffer punishment due to the use of mods).



That's what I'm talking about, when I say that the viera's ears could have more animations. Imagine if this were part of the emotes, it would be awesome!

Wow, the development of viera had/has so much potential. I was watching how Miqo'te jumped the other day, and it made me wonder how a viera would jump if they possessed more lepine mannerisms. At least they gave us the angry foot thump that rabbits do.

[Denji]

Wow, the development of viera had/has so much potential. I was watching how Miqo'te jumped the other day, and it made me wonder how a viera would jump if they possessed more lepine mannerisms. At least they gave us the angry foot thump that rabbits do.

Makes me wonder, too. Man those hairstyles in the screenshot look great.
why's square gotta introduce two races and then just give 'em the shaft because they don't wanna work on 'em. ugh.