Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

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I think we can agree to disagree on this one. Warrior women are still feminine and beautiful, even if you might not see them that way.

This line of logic always leads to .. "So why not have them look like Dulia-Chai with a beast like head? They're not overly focused on making them popular, right? And they're gonna be niche anyway, so why not have them rep the obese and fight against Fatphobia for the handful who are interested in that type of character?" in my mind. Something maybe not being popular doesn't really write a free check to toss away all game demographic logic imo.

And it may not seem like it, but I absolutely loathe talking about the popularity of beast races in MMOs. The notion that they're all doomed to be niche/ very unpopular no matter what pretty much comes outta nowhere space these days, as ... MMOs are a dead genre and there's only 3 big ones out right now that are not FF14.

Using WoW stats as a base? I toss those in the trash. WoW races are class locked/ Faction locked/ some must be unlocked in game/ they have like 100 races and can fart them out however often they want because WoW runs on a potato.
ESO stats? Can't use those stats, the race bonus/ boons makes some races meta for some classes. So Khajiit being one of the most popular races in a game with a very good population spread across races means nothing apparently.
What's comparable to FF14? GW2 ... no race locked classes and no meta race/ class combos. All races have good spread and yeah, Charr come in last. But wait, Male Charr are the 2nd most popular male race and the most popular non-human or female Norn option. The reason the race is in last is that people who love playing big/ loud monster cat dudes don't want to play the basically-no-sexual-dimorphism females.

Other than that? All other MMOs are either Eastern Gotcha/ loot box/ P2W trash with only humans. Or they're things looong dead like Wild Star that started death spiraling the moment they came out. Or they're like Bless and have been released/ Re-released over and over because they keep crashing and burning AND they're race/ class locked anyway. Or there's Tera, which is shut/ shutting down after all these years now ... and was loot-box trash marketed purely to Pedo-bait lovers.

Like, there's simply no way to convince me that there's no way to design something more animal like that gets decent love in this game. Perhaps what you envision wouldn't be popular, but that's not the only option. Like, what's even the "magic amount" to this? Is this or this too beastly to be decently popular? How many MMOs got generally attractive furry types, anyway?

So yeah, that's always a hill I'm willing to die on even though I really don't care to bring it up. "It's gonna be niche anyway" is just always gonna fall flat to me.
And yeah, I really don't care about large amounts of sexual dimorphism. It's a part of the world, and knowing customers means knowing that groups pick certain things for certain reasons. Rejecting that in the name of visual fairness simply leads to fewer people enjoying something they could have enjoyed.
So yeah, we'd have to agree to disagree ... some 6ft Bull chilling with a short stack bull is cool with me. lul

That sounds awesome.

I know, that's why I framed it that way!
Cause it's fair, some would love that ... but I don't think they would be the 2nd most popular females in the game like that. The very concept of a demon/ reptile girl isn't in of itself a super popular idea. Making them the way they currently are is why they're popular AF. They could have made choices that would have made them far less popular, just like they can make choices that result in more or fewer people playing Hrothgals.