Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[reivaxe]

Now that shared hairs are being made available and new ones too, I definitely just don't see them going the route of male hrothgar and making them so incompatible. Even if they would somehow come out quite bestial, I'm sure compromises will be made to allow for the easier addition of hairs in the future. Those compromises most likely involving the reduction of pronounced racial features, different head sizes, etc..

Agreed.

A demon girl concept is a popular idea, but them being monstrous isn't so much, for sure.

"Demon/ reptilian girl" is already on the monster scale, regardless of if they just have "cute horns and maybe a tail ;3" or if they look like some 4 armed, bat winged she devil thing with fangs and scales, they would both under that title of "demonic". How visually appealing they look is a matter of execution, which was my point. Talking about Bless, there's no doubt in my mind that if SE made something like this (Which looks like a lala/ Lop faced furry child) a race that looked closer to Lala or middie body wise (as to not look like actual children) ... it would be popular. Because it leans heavily on cute. Making tiger headed beef backed buffed out women wouldn't be as popular, even though both are clearly animal/ non-human looking.
So the concept of an animal like race is never an auto-unpopular concept to me, in character design you can always make some basic concept like "animal/ Demonic/ Monster people" look cute/ sexy/ appealing enough if you know what you're doing and try to set them up for success.

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I will agree that devs tend to view "Animal people" as stereotyped proud warriors tropes. Really, if anyone's interested in animal people, I'd suggest waiting to see wtf Riot games MMO does.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I will agree that devs tend to view "Animal people" as stereotyped proud warriors tropes. Really, if anyone's interested in animal people, I'd suggest waiting to see wtf Riot games MMO does.

So basically we should all just shove it and look for a new game....great attitude lol
So we just shouldn't get Hrothgar Females that look like sensible Female Counterparts to the males, they should be adorable and humanlike just cause 'popular'
Please SE do the right thing....cater to and give your Hrothgar Players what they want, and not do some lazy BS For 'Popularity'
If you really cared about that, you wouldn't have made Hrothgar in the 1st place. If you make a Beastrace, then make a Beastrace.

[Pip_Chick]

So basically we should all just shove it and look for a new game....great attitude lol
So we just shouldn't get Hrothgar Females that look like sensible Female Counterparts to the males, they should be adorable and humanlike just cause 'popular'
Please SE do the right thing....cater to and give your Hrothgar Players what they want, and not do some lazy BS For 'Popularity'
If you really cared about that, you wouldn't have made Hrothgar in the 1st place. If you make a Beastrace, then make a Beastrace.

10000% this. Please SE!

[Silverbane]

Please SE do the right thing....cater to and give your Hrothgar Players what they want.

I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.

*or male characters generally, as only one of my 12 alts is male, and that alt is a lala so what's the difference?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.

*or male characters generally, as only one of my 12 alts is male, and that alt is a lala so what's the difference?

A lala isnt a Hrothgar...thats the difference XD
Whatever you want and desire for Female Hrothgar doesnt matter any less or more then my desires, or other peoples desires. As I have to keep telling Reivaxe, its a Personal Opinion.
Next Year or so...we will see what the Devs decide on.

But deep down...I hope its what I want....bit overall I just hope they look good.

[Midareyukki]

I call BS. I already have a character I plan to Fantasia into a fem Hrothgar when they become available (if they are nice), but I have no interest in having a male Hrothgar character.*
I see no reason my desires for what fem Hrothgar should be should count any less than those of people who already play male Hrothgar.[/SIZE]

You're right! It shouldn't! If you want to play female Hrothgar, you have every right to present feedback to the devs about how you hope it ends up and what features you wish it had.
Us being male Hrothgars shouldn't really have any impact on that, now should it?
Except... there is one thing.

We, more than any of you, know how this race is treated. Not just by the devs, but by the community itself. We know first-hand how the experience of being a Hrothgar is like. There may be some influence caused by our gender, but the overall sentiment remains: we know what the race is like. Female Hrothgar are being designed to be our counterparts. We do have at least that much to stand on: if they're to be our counterparts, and not that of some Au Ra, then it stands to reason that we also have a say in the discussion.

So yes. Male Hrothgar do have a foot in the discussion, extra to that of other races. Simply because we know how the race feels like to play, how people react to it and how the game treats them.

And this may be a sentiment you share with me here, but I'm stating it in the context of "I play this race. I know what you'd be getting into if WE male Hrothgar didn't have priority in being heard when it comes to designing our counterpart": but I don't want Female Hrothgar to have to suffer the same bull that we had to go through. I don't want players who invest into their Female Hrothgar to have to struggle with hairstyles. To have to struggle with no representation. To have to struggle with deaf devs. And to deal with the community who not only justifies all that, but also doubles down by being grossly insulting toward us.

As a Male Hrothgar, I don't want that for our counterpart. I don't wish that on any race, but the fact that it happens so casually to us makes me dread how females will be implemented and received. Because players like you, who want to play female Hrothgar, don't deserve to be dealt a foul hand even before it's in the game. More than what any other race would wish on you. Because to, say, an Elezen, it's "unfortunate" that you'd be in such a position. For us males? It's a repeat of 3 years of constant waiting, patience and disappointment at almost every turn. And whatever happens to you as a female Hrothgar has the dangerous chance of being reflected upon us males, just as much as how I don't want what's happening to us to be reflected onto you.

And if safeguarding our lore, if making sure the design fits us males and doesn't look out of place so that the race remains consistently palatable is too much for you, then I'm sorry. But we don't want criticism to bleed over to us males, and we don't want you to deal with criticism on awkward design. Not on top of what you're already going to face. Not on top of what you would had males not brought the attention to the problems of this race as a whole, and warn Square that the issues males have cannot bounce onto females who are currently being designed, because now is the time to give them a word of caution.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Talking about Bless, there's no doubt in my mind that if SE made something like this (Which looks like a lala/ Lop faced furry child) a race that looked closer to Lala or middie body wise (as to not look like actual children) ... it would be popular.

But in all honesty, sure, if they can make a NEW race and give us a 2nd Small option...Im all in.
Id prefer Ivalice Moogles



...but hey, another small option would just be great regardless.