Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[RyuDragnier]

Yeah, that's a lot of semantics.

[Pip_Chick]

If they make Hrothgals have heads that are just stylized cat heads and have them look as trash as the males do in most shared hairstyles (in the EXPAC we're getting a graphics update no less) then so be it. If they make them Mithra I'm fine with that to. So long as they feminine, I'm sure I'll be happy.

I think we can agree to disagree on this one. Warrior women are still feminine and beautiful, even if you might not see them that way. The bull image is a complete and utter disappointment, they look like the same species, but not a full grown man and woman. More like a dad and daughter thing going on there with immense perv pandering on the female.

Mithra is literally the Miquo'te of FFXI. No one wants a bigger Miquo'te cause that would be a waste of time. Why are you keeping it to the flat faces? Everyone who wants to play Hrothgar doesn't want just a taller Miquo'te with a fur texture. Tons of fan art that I have seen has them with Snouts and look like a female variant of a Hrothgar instead of a bad-looking Mythra!

When I say I want them to look cohesive and like they are part of the Hrothgar species, I mean a Beast-looking woman, not a Miquo'te, Mithra or the Loprits, they all mean nothing to me or this discussion cause they are all FLAT FACED when Hrothgar are not! Instead of a perv pandering flat face woman with a fur texture slapped on, why can't we get something cool? And just on the fear that not a lot of people are gonna play them. And no those won't be 5 people as you say, even female Roe has over 15K players (at endgame) and they are the least played race/gender combo.

Instead of concerning yourself with what the players that already play the game think, why not consider the people that would like to play the game but don't want to play any of the current races, but might like Female Hrothgar? That is and was the original point with Hrothgar. They added Viera for the existing players, but Hrothgar was always meant to attract new and different people into the game. There are a lot of players who ONLY play beast races and won't touch the game unless they can play as that and YP knows this, that is why he said that adding them is for the long-time health of the game. I know a lot of people who flat-out refused to play this game purely because they weren't given any options in terms of beast races.

That is why I say to not give them a flat face purely on the "Their hats will fit" notion, cause that is a non-issue! Wanna know how much it takes to modify a hat to fit on a Hrothgar head? 10 minutes. +/- 2 minutes for opening the folders. For that to have a botched race? No thank you. Make them right or not at all. At this point I don't even care about the body, I just want them to keep their beast features. Just as players hated when Hrothgar lost their ears, just like that they will get pissed for having a Mithra with a furry texture on top.

[Pip_Chick]

Yeah, that's a lot of semantics.

Yeah, but if we continue to discuss this in this thread, it might come into the radar for the devs and maybe present them or something about them at the next LL. Like how it was with the Hrothgar ear removal of 6.1, They solved it on 6.2 and now we have our ears back. So... more like wishful thinking.

[Allegor]

That is why I say to not give them a flat face purely on the "Their hats will fit" notion, cause that is a non-issue! Wanna know how much it takes to modify a hat to fit on a Hrothgar head? 10 minutes. +/- 2 minutes for opening the folders. For that to have a botched race? No thank you. Make them right or not at all. At this point I don't even care about the body, I just want them to keep their beast features. Just as players hated when Hrothgar lost their ears, just like that they will get pissed for having a Mithra with a furry texture on top.

Viera are literally humans with bunny ears and they're barely better than Hroths in the hair/helmet department, so Hrothgals having a more humanoid face would likely accomplish absolutely nothing regarding that issue, and that's assuming it's even still an issue by the time they're released

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Yeah, but if we continue to discuss this in this thread, it might come into the radar for the devs and maybe present them or something about them at the next LL. Like how it was with the Hrothgar ear removal of 6.1, They solved it on 6.2 and now we have our ears back. So... more like wishful thinking.

Im not saying "stop talking about it" but I think we are far enough along that the devs should have already started drafting and designing the Female Hrothgar.
So I think at this point we are just literally Arguing & talking amongst ourselves of want we want...or what we already think is happening. So I dont think anything here is really going to be a driving force of how the Hrothgals will come out...Maybe back in ShB when we were able to have 'MOSTLY' civil discussion, but not sure at this point now.

The ears thing was a fix that needed to happen, since they were talking about new hairs for the Hrothgar, then showed them off with missing ears that of course caused an uproar.
But showing off Hrothgals isn't going to happen for at least another year, when they start promoting The Next Expansion 7.0

[Pip_Chick]

Im not saying "stop talking about it" but I think we are far enough along that the devs should have already started drafting and designing the Female Hrothgar.
So I think at this point we are just literally Arguing & talking amongst ourselves of want we want...or what we already think is happening. So I dont think anything here is really going to be a driving force of how the Hrothgals will come out...Maybe back in ShB when we were able to have 'MOSTLY' civil discussion, but not sure at this point now.

The ears thing was a fix that needed to happen, since they were talking about new hairs for the Hrothgar, then showed them off with missing ears that of course caused an uproar.
But showing off Hrothgals isn't going to happen for at least another year, when they start promoting The Next Expansion 7.0

Yeah, you're right. It does feel like pointless banter and yelling into the void about this subject.

[SturmChurro]

Viera are literally humans with bunny ears and they're barely better than Hroths in the hair/helmet department, so Hrothgals having a more humanoid face would likely accomplish absolutely nothing regarding that issue, and that's assuming it's even still an issue by the time they're released

It's really the head that's the issue here. If a female hrothgar's head isn't of varying shapes, like male hrothgar with their various faces, at the very least hairs should be easier to add to them, or look better.

[Silverbane]

Im not saying "stop talking about it" but I think we are far enough along that the devs should have already started drafting and designing the Female Hrothgar. ... So I dont think anything here is really going to be a driving force of how the Hrothgals will come out.

The last communication re: fem Hrothgar I recall from Yoshi-P was him saying they were having trouble developing a she-Hroth they liked the look of. So there is a slight possibility that, should any of the ideas floated in this thread get to the developers, it might help them break out of whatever design rut they are in.

(The above represents what's sometimes called "industrial-grade hopium." )

[Midareyukki]

...I just saw a whole bunch of beauty standard discussion that I'm legit afraid to ask what happened... you guys ok?

It's really the head that's the issue here. If a female hrothgar's head isn't of varying shapes, like male hrothgar with their various faces, at the very least hairs should be easier to add to them, or look better.

I don't know? Like. I get what you mean, but part of me is wondering whether or not them having animalistic faces at all will somehow get in the way. Then the issue isn't whether they'll have X face or Y face. The issue becomes "are these head models feasible for the content we have?"

And I know I'm comparing it to the absolute worst case possible because
a) The hairstyles are, for the most part, designed for female characters anyway
b) Hrothgar weren't exactly designed to share hairs with just about any other race like that. Not without proper adjustments.
...but.
The answer is "no". The males proved that Hrothgar heads don't mesh well with a good handful of the existing hairstyles for humanoid races. They mesh well with some, but not all, and that's what they need to pay attention to. Otherwise they'll always need to be tweaking.

[SturmChurro]

...I just saw a whole bunch of beauty standard discussion that I'm legit afraid to ask what happened... you guys ok?



I don't know? Like. I get what you mean, but part of me is wondering whether or not them having animalistic faces at all will somehow get in the way. Then the issue isn't whether they'll have X face or Y face. The issue becomes "are these head models feasible for the content we have?"

And I know I'm comparing it to the absolute worst case possible because
a) The hairstyles are, for the most part, designed for female characters anyway
b) Hrothgar weren't exactly designed to share hairs with just about any other race like that. Not without proper adjustments.
...but.
The answer is "no". The males proved that Hrothgar heads don't mesh well with a good handful of the existing hairstyles for humanoid races. They mesh well with some, but not all, and that's what they need to pay attention to. Otherwise they'll always need to be tweaking.

Debating on how bestial they should be, popularity, etc. has kind of always been discussed in the female hrothgar thread like this. It's why I was saying last time I didn't have the energy.

Very animalistic would get in the way, it's more of how pronounced those features can be without becoming problematic for hairstyle implementation. Most hairstyles need tweaking even on female viera, but they can prevent the amount of it needed, and still look good, if they plan in advance. Unlike with male hrothgar, which I can take a guess that they had zero plans to add the shared hairs to, which has had repercussions on the implementation of these hairs.