Bring Back Kaiten

[RyuuZero]

At this Point, I want them to bring back the Idea of Kaiten..
if we can't have Kaiten back, then give other skills the aspect of Kaiten.. or something in that direction, My Idea if they don't bring Kaiten back: Reduce the Kenki Cost of Shinten and Kyuten to 20 Kenki and give them a Buff (either Potency Buff or Direct Hit Guarantee) for the Following Attack, suddenly we have turned Kaiten into an Attack basicly. Yes, the fancy Animation would still be gone but there are Videos (on Youtube) that showcase the Skill in its glory but the Idea or Aspect should be preserved!
I'm just sick of sitting on 20 Kenki with nothing to do with, even though we never had that Problem in the first place! .. if they really decide to kill off the Synergic Aspect of Samurai's Mechanic and Resource.. then at least reduce the Kenki Cost of Shinten and Kyuten to 20.. would worsen the Shinten Spam? Yes, but at least I don't have to sit on 20 Kenki anymore! Even if I prefer Samurai with Kenki Iaijutsu Synergy and Cone Tenka Goken (same way how I prefer Cone Overpower) the Removal of the 20 Kenki Spender is what stings the most about 6.1 Samurai...

[Reese_Clairdale]

IMO any pause in the Shinten spam is a good thing for now, I thought we already determined there was far too much of it. I imagine a 20 Kenki Shinten / Kyuten also having a passive Kaiten effect tacked on would make nearly every other Weaponskill have boosted potency, causing a whole new balance nightmare.

In any case I'm not too interested in striking a bargain just to get the buff icon back, there's more to the "Idea" of Kaiten than that. 6.08 SAM gameplay or bust.

[RyuuZero]

well my initial Idea to concomitant the auto-crit Midare/Ogi was to change Kaiten so it makes the next attack Direct Hit, thus rewarding Direct Crit Midare/Ogi for correct Kenki Management
their Reasoning for Auto-Crit was to "fix" damage fluctuation.. even though it's still there :/

[RyuuZero]

IMO any pause in the Shinten spam is a good thing for now, I thought we already determined there was far too much of it. I imagine a 20 Kenki Shinten / Kyuten also having a passive Kaiten effect tacked on would make nearly every other Weaponskill have boosted potency, causing a whole new balance nightmare.

In any case I'm not too interested in striking a bargain just to get the buff icon back, there's more to the "Idea" of Kaiten than that. 6.08 SAM gameplay or bust.

I rather have a balance nightmare than a limp-noodle Spam Playstyle but if you take away the Button and the Animation .. what remains of Kaiten? The Reward for Keeping Track of your Resources, which is in a way Typical for Samurai (irl).. well I can imagine that the Samurai in Real Life not only focussed on the Opponent but also kept track of the surroundings, where to position, which in my Opinion was well captured with the Kenki Resource in FFXIV, (though on another note, let's face it positionals at least in FFXIV are just a gimmick, outside of position yourself for Knockback I do not see their practical application, and if there is.. why are they turned off in solo instances?) I just wish that they revive Kenki Management at this point.. at the very VERY least make Shinten/Kyuten 20 Kenki since I am sick of sitting on 20 Kenki with nothing to do with...

The Perfect Samurai at this Point would be the 6.08 Samurai with 6.1 Enpi Change.. and I think something else.. but since I played 6.1 Samurai for so long, it's so hard to think anymore... The Third Eye change to 4 seconds

[xAFROx]

I rather have a balance nightmare than a limp-noodle Spam Playstyle but if you take away the Button and the Animation .. what remains of Kaiten? The Reward for Keeping Track of your Resources, which is in a way Typical for Samurai (irl).. well I can imagine that the Samurai in Real Life not only focussed on the Opponent but also kept track of the surroundings, where to position, which in my Opinion was well captured with the Kenki Resource in FFXIV, (though on another note, let's face it positionals at least in FFXIV are just a gimmick, outside of position yourself for Knockback I do not see their practical application, and if there is.. why are they turned off in solo instances?) I just wish that they revive Kenki Management at this point.. at the very VERY least make Shinten/Kyuten 20 Kenki since I am sick of sitting on 20 Kenki with nothing to do with...

The Perfect Samurai at this Point would be the 6.08 Samurai with 6.1 Enpi Change.. and I think something else.. but since I played 6.1 Samurai for so long, it's so hard to think anymore... The Third Eye change to 4 seconds

Something else? Perhaps you mean the change to Tenka Goken? I sure would like to use that in aoe situations again so I can use the other ability I was given this expansion by way of using my iaijutsu to build that other resource as was made in ShB and given an additional skill in EW. As it stands, with how pathetic it is, I've opted to burn my Sen for kenki to spam kyuten. Is it optimal? No idea. Is it fun? Kind of. It allows me to move so I'm not getting slapped by every enemy that wants to sneeze in one centralized position.

[Mortex]

It’s funny that they use button bloat as a excuse too remove kaiten, but don’t go the drg way by making the same button become another ability for example ogi and ikishoten or fuse shoha’s single and aoe into one button.

[CelestiCer]

Can't believe I'm actually more optimistic about returning to WoW in 10.0 than continuing to play FFXIV in 6.2...

I am more excited to going back to older offline JRPG's that ironically was how I even got into playing MMORPG's.

How SE managed to steer a Job off the railroads into a freaking Hawaiian Volcano with just a nudge, is both impressive and terrifying that they are capable of something so utterly stupid. With their reaction of... nothing. No words. Not even a shoulder shrug, literal nothingness. No response. Feels like an actual Fantasy, that isn't even Final, it keeps going for months.

SE like a literal lost Spongebob Character, crossed eyes, tongue sticking out, speaking into the microphone
" Sqeenix: Duhh pwease twy it out, N gibs us feedback pwease okey-dokey? ", a literal angry mob voicing Feedback at their faces and they can't figure out how much they F'd up with Kaiten removal or 6.1 changes in general.

We can at least expect an apology again, for an issue announcement again, that isn't related to Job changes again. What's it going to be this time? The 4th RMT issue addressed? Or the more recent Data Center Travel? Whatever it will be, Knock yourself out SE.

[RyuuZero]

Something else? Perhaps you mean the change to Tenka Goken? I sure would like to use that in aoe situations again so I can use the other ability I was given this expansion by way of using my iaijutsu to build that other resource as was made in ShB and given an additional skill in EW. As it stands, with how pathetic it is, I've opted to burn my Sen for kenki to spam kyuten. Is it optimal? No idea. Is it fun? Kind of. It allows me to move so I'm not getting slapped by every enemy that wants to sneeze in one centralized position.

most of the 6.1 Samurai Changes were glaring or rather crippling bullshit to be fair, which is why I'm for a 6.08 revert of Samurai but keep the 6.1 Meikyo Shisui Change and the Third Eye Change aswell and yes Cone Tenka Goken was better!

[RyuuZero]

It’s funny that they use button bloat as a excuse too remove kaiten, but don’t go the drg way by making the same button become another ability for example ogi and ikishoten or fuse shoha’s single and aoe into one button.

I already explained months ago why it's important to keep Single Target and AoE Seperate on Samurai!!
you know what.. I just quote myself at this point ._.
wait a sec....

Kaiten still has to return! I do not know why they would comprimize on Resource Utility it doesn't make anysense to dump down Jobclasses, and also what I heared from so many Samurai Players on Youtube regarding "merging Shoha 1 and Shoha 2 so it's AoE with Falloff Damage" NO! Shoha is your Single Target Skill that you do on Bosses, Mumyo Shoha is your AoE Skill that you do for Trash, simple as that If you consider Shoha and Shoha 2 as button bloat, guess what, the entire Meditation Resource could considered Button Bloat, which it's not! (I mean think about it, you can perform an extra attack for every 3rd Iaijutsu. does it make sense? not really, but it's a part of the Samurai and here to stay!)
Also why do so many Samurai disregard the Option to have a Bonus Attack for Single Target and AoE each? at the moment Ogi Namikiri stands alone as Ikishoten Trigger and again I will predict that we get a Single Target Ogi in 7.0 Because it makes sense to offer the Option and it was just like that with Guren and Senei, but what do i use Ogi Namikiri then? Simple! AoE and to clearify any upcomming Questions:
Lightning Round Explaination:
Guren? = AoE
Senei? = Single Target
Shoha? = Single Target
Mumyo Shoha? = AoE
Ogi Namikiri? = AoE

I hope this clears things up..
also, if they revert the changes of Tenka Goken, it wouldn't be so bad, because the old Tenka Goken required more thinking and of course the return of Kaiten! I hope the DevTeam's silence means that they look into it, otherwise Kenki will feel so useless
My Idea to encommmendate the guaranteed Crit would've been that Kaiten makes the following attack Direct Hit! which may wouldn't help the Samurai's Weak State much but also wouldn't have made Kenki absolutely monotonous like it is now.

We should not get distracted by falsehoods, we have to be clear, I am and I want the devs to Bring Back Kaiten.

[Leonerdo]

Bump. Yes, we still want Kaiten back. The change has not grown on me or been accepted over time or anything like that. It's still a terrible loss and feels awful.