Bring Back Kaiten

[xAFROx]

I rather have a balance nightmare than a limp-noodle Spam Playstyle but if you take away the Button and the Animation .. what remains of Kaiten? The Reward for Keeping Track of your Resources, which is in a way Typical for Samurai (irl).. well I can imagine that the Samurai in Real Life not only focussed on the Opponent but also kept track of the surroundings, where to position, which in my Opinion was well captured with the Kenki Resource in FFXIV, (though on another note, let's face it positionals at least in FFXIV are just a gimmick, outside of position yourself for Knockback I do not see their practical application, and if there is.. why are they turned off in solo instances?) I just wish that they revive Kenki Management at this point.. at the very VERY least make Shinten/Kyuten 20 Kenki since I am sick of sitting on 20 Kenki with nothing to do with...

The Perfect Samurai at this Point would be the 6.08 Samurai with 6.1 Enpi Change.. and I think something else.. but since I played 6.1 Samurai for so long, it's so hard to think anymore... The Third Eye change to 4 seconds

Something else? Perhaps you mean the change to Tenka Goken? I sure would like to use that in aoe situations again so I can use the other ability I was given this expansion by way of using my iaijutsu to build that other resource as was made in ShB and given an additional skill in EW. As it stands, with how pathetic it is, I've opted to burn my Sen for kenki to spam kyuten. Is it optimal? No idea. Is it fun? Kind of. It allows me to move so I'm not getting slapped by every enemy that wants to sneeze in one centralized position.

[Mortex]

It’s funny that they use button bloat as a excuse too remove kaiten, but don’t go the drg way by making the same button become another ability for example ogi and ikishoten or fuse shoha’s single and aoe into one button.

[RyuuZero]

Something else? Perhaps you mean the change to Tenka Goken? I sure would like to use that in aoe situations again so I can use the other ability I was given this expansion by way of using my iaijutsu to build that other resource as was made in ShB and given an additional skill in EW. As it stands, with how pathetic it is, I've opted to burn my Sen for kenki to spam kyuten. Is it optimal? No idea. Is it fun? Kind of. It allows me to move so I'm not getting slapped by every enemy that wants to sneeze in one centralized position.

most of the 6.1 Samurai Changes were glaring or rather crippling bullshit to be fair, which is why I'm for a 6.08 revert of Samurai but keep the 6.1 Meikyo Shisui Change and the Third Eye Change aswell and yes Cone Tenka Goken was better!

[Vencio]

Bump. Yes, we still want Kaiten back. The change has not grown on me or been accepted over time or anything like that. It's still a terrible loss and feels awful.

I am afraid that’s the way it is now & it may be for more 4-5 months,

Maybe it will never come.

PS: You still got the crits & Katana moves!

[Mimilu]

Maybe it will never come.

Aw, don't be discouraged Vencio; As long as there are people who are willing to keep up the fight, I'm sure the devs will get the message! Even if they have to do it over and over again over the course of 4-5 months. Keep it up guys!
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[xAFROx]

And I would advocate that positionals be returned to kenki generation, Seigan and Kaiten be returned, and that kenki costs for all the skills be differentiated again so there's actual thought in how to spend each of the abilities rather than the surplus of kenki that exists.

Seigan can exist on top of Shinten. Senei and Guren being on 2 minute cooldowns made sense when they cost have an entire gauge.

The sad part is SAM actually still feels really satisfying at level 80 when Tsubame-Gaeshi is only at a single charge. I almost never notice it's on cooldown while going through the rotation, unlike at 90 where it always seems like it's still got 56 seconds left before a charge is comes back.

[RyuuZero]

well I have the feeling that Positionals might go away in 7.0, so you have to keep track about buffcombos and burstcombos, it would save calculation space on servers if they just have to take damage and combo damage into account, though I don't see Seigan making a comeback, much like Ageha, the Main Problem of Samurai right now is the non existent Kenki Synergy.. I mean Kenki at this point is just tagged on for Shinten ect... a Remnant of Kaiten that might go next on the chopping block ._.

[butchersblock]

And I would advocate that positionals be returned to kenki generation, Seigan and Kaiten be returned, and that kenki costs for all the skills be differentiated again so there's actual thought in how to spend each of the abilities rather than the surplus of kenki that exists.

Seigan can exist on top of Shinten. Senei and Guren being on 2 minute cooldowns made sense when they cost have an entire gauge.

The sad part is SAM actually still feels really satisfying at level 80 when Tsubame-Gaeshi is only at a single charge. I almost never notice it's on cooldown while going through the rotation, unlike at 90 where it always seems like it's still got 56 seconds left before a charge is comes back.

As much as I'd like for them to return, I highly doubt we're ever getting all that good stuff back unfortunately. I think even Kaiten returning would make me happy, and even that I find unlikely.

[RyuuZero]

As much as I'd like for them to return, I highly doubt we're ever getting all that good stuff back unfortunately. I think even Kaiten returning would make me happy, and even that I find unlikely.

I do argue that it would've been a better change to keep Kaiten but roll up Tsubamegaeshi into Iaijutsu, like Ninja's Bunshin becomes Kamaitachi (even though I think Huraijin would be a better fit for Kamaitachi than bunshin)

[Katsuragi_]

I usually omnitank, but I loved SAM and played it a ton when I wanted or needed to DPS. Now I honestly have no DPS that I want to play consistently. Closest is BLM, but the engagement level isn't even close. There's not a single thing that was removed from SAM that I'm happy about. And quite frankly I don't care for what was added either.

I enjoyed using Kaiten, and while you can say the "management" bit of it was not that big in the grand scheme of things. I enjoyed having to dance with the boss with my positionals too. All of it stacked up to require just enough focus to feel engaged while having a rhythm to the rotation. What SAM does now is just press a sequence of buttons while waiting for the big button. Oh and you press Shinten when the button is not greyed out.

All of this just to add my name to the number of people who are disappointed with this change.