Bring Back Kaiten

[darkdyllon]

I wouldn't say that they messed up with Ogi, they basicly added a New Skill to the 2minute circle, which in my opinion is okay, the thing that annoys me about it that Kenki is now only used for the Kenki Attacks and nothing else. Though.. I also do not see where the Samurai Rotation was generally bloated or felt alienatingly weird (why break what works just fine?) Ogi Namikiri is the same as Guren, means in 7.0 there will be an Single Target Ogi added, why? because It's Okay to have Options and the Old Kenki was utilized to amp up your (mostly) Iaijutsu Damage, which gave the Player more responsibility to boost their damage on their own by mastering Kenki Management, Now it's just "Hey! do you have enough Kenki?Ye..Shinten!"

.. you know..that baby expansion comment kinda slaps, good job xD

people have gone through every excuse they had at this point and only 1 makes sense.

the action/button bloat has been severely debunked.

the other was the DPS variance caused by high critical hits (which every job suffers under but only SAM got gutted, which by that alone is debunked)

the last was that the job balancer in question had difficulities balancing the job around Kaiten, so they removed it in favor of that. (lazy as all hell though)

[RyuuZero]

people have gone through every excuse they had at this point and only 1 makes sense.

the action/button bloat has been severely debunked.

the other was the DPS variance caused by high critical hits (which every job suffers under but only SAM got gutted, which by that alone is debunked)

the last was that the job balancer in question had difficulities balancing the job around Kaiten, so they removed it in favor of that. (lazy as all hell though)

so the Job Balancer did not see the importance of Kaiten?

[ThorneDynasty]

Yeah, I don't think it's actually a flaw if you lose relatively a lot of DPS not using buffs properly during your burst. But I can see how the dev team under the current philosophy of keeping everything as forgiving as possible looked at the 1 extra required Kaiten in the rotation and decided it was a step too punishing. There are other options, but regime says keep it simple enough, so I guess when in doubt dumb it down.

[RyuuZero]

Yeah, I don't think it's actually a flaw if you lose relatively a lot of DPS not using buffs properly during your burst. But I can see how the dev team under the current philosophy of keeping everything as forgiving as possible looked at the 1 extra required Kaiten in the rotation and decided it was a step too punishing. There are other options, but regime says keep it simple enough, so I guess when in doubt dumb it down.

too punishing!? I hope that is not the case, I play it like that: I play the Job, get a Feel of How the Job plays, then I look what I have to be aware of the most in the kit and then I master it at my pace
I also take suggestions, for example: once in ARR or HW I played WAR in Castrum (when Cutscenes were skippable!) and I had tank stance active as an Off-Tank for the extra skills that were only available when Tank Stance (or DPS Stance) were active.
I used "..But these Extra Skills!", and someone in the Party said to me "Dude, I'm a Warrior Main, turn off Tank Stance", where I replied with "Okay!", so I turned off Tank Stance and learned something about offtanking!
What I wanna say is, that it's fine to take time to learn the ropes for your own, it's the part of the journey to hone the skills for future encounters, the Removal of Kaiten threw everything out of whack, reduced the Kenki Gauge to "Press Shinten NOW!" which toppled the entire Resource into Question, how it is now.. and again, I think there was nothing wrong of how Kenki evolved alongside Kaiten.

[RyuuZero]

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

[AsiTsurugi]

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

Nothing, because Yoshida and his dev team's silence has proved that none of this feedback matters despite his lip service during the patch notes reading.

[Ceridwen]

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

I'm almost scared to check on Tues to see if they'll surprise us. I don't expect it, but hope springs eternal.

[SiriusBreeze]

Copium bump, may Samurai see some love

[RyuuZero]

Quick Patch 6.15 Review:
Overall Good Additions: New Tribal Tribe, Ameliance Costume Delievery, more Side Quests and most importantly: More Hildibrand

Samurai is still Kaitenless
I still end up with 20 Kenki before doing Iaijutsu like lvl50
and I'm thinking.. could it be that the Samurai does now more DPS due to monotonous Shinten Spam!?

if so.. what does tell us about the future Combat design?..
though.. what do we have to do to be heard, so our concerns get addressed?

I mean.. is spamming Filler Abilities at nauseum really the way to go for future Job Design?