Hissatsu: Kaiten

[YukiB]

They mean action bloat, as in, button presses, not button bloat(which is its own issue)

As it is, kaiten is the 2nd most used action (generally tied with shinten) after hakaze.

And with its removal, we just use more Shinten.

The "action bloat" is not solved, and the other 2nd most used action is used nearly twice as much.

And what happens when no one wants to play healer then? Oh wait...

Optimistically, SE realizes no one can run endgame content because no one wants to play healer, and makes adjustments to healers.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And with its removal, we just use more Shinten.

The "action bloat" is not solved, and the other 2nd most used action is used nearly twice as much.



Optimistically, SE realizes no one can run endgame content because no one wants to play healer, and makes adjustments to healers.

50%ish more, which is still a net reduction in skill usage.

[Xenon_S]

50%ish more, which is still a net reduction in skill usage.

Top SAM parse in P4S P2 had 33 Kaitens over 6:43 kill time, CPM for kaiten is 4.9
Translate that into 660 Kenki and you get 26.4 Shintens instead, for a reduction of 1 in CPM to 3.9, with the added effect of making the gameplay more braindead

Top SAM in ShB usually have CPM of 47 or higher, and there weren't complaints to action bloat.
Now the top CPM of samurai is just around 46, and all the sudden there exists an action bloat problem.

Samurai, by virtue of their skillspeed buff, and the fact that the kenki gauge cost the spammable skills are 25 or less (compared to most other jobs' gauge dump being 50), will inherently have a high CPM.

If there were no complaints of action bloat in ShB, then there is no argument for action bloat now that the CPM has already been lowered.
And given that there is no action bloat, there is no need to remove kaiten.

Also guess what changed from 4.x to 5.x? they gutted Hagakure and added Tsubame Gaeshi so samurai won't be shinten spamming. Unless the entire kenki system gets reworked, samurais will go back to shinten spams.