Hissatsu: Kaiten

[HayaW]

Is anyone else disappointed that this action is being removed? Im not a numbers person, nor do I understand what changes are good/ bad for a job, but Hissatsu: Kaiten looks really cool... I mean it looks super cool

And that has to count for something, right?!

[SnowVix]

Is anyone else disappointed that this action is being removed? Im not a numbers person, nor do I understand what changes are good/ bad for a job, but Hissatsu: Kaiten looks really cool... I mean it looks super cool

And that has to count for something, right?!

it only exists to punish if you mis-count your Kenki and use one too many of the oGCDs, as it's only useful before an Iaijutsu or Ogi Namikiri.

[AlgrenH]

it only exists to punish if you mis-count your Kenki and use one too many of the oGCDs, as it's only useful before an Iaijutsu or Ogi Namikiri.

it only punishes you if you dont pay attention when you play, and rewards good kenki management and gcd usage. Kaiten has tied the Samurai burst phase together since release and even with the addition of ōgi namakiri SE has incorportated it as a "boost" for your iaijutsu skills. If button bloat is the issue there are many more "useless" buttons to look at, Shoha II, Ōgi being a seperate button from ikishoten, and Guren and Senei being seperate buttons. These issues arent even mentioning the problems we'll face with crit buffs like Chain Strategem, Devilment and Battle litany being pointless on Samurai should these changes go through. If SE wants Samurai to have guaranteed crits just make Kaiten guarantee a crit on your next Iaijutsu or Ogi Namakiri cast.

[IdowhatIwant]

it only exists to punish if you mis-count your Kenki and use one too many of the oGCDs, as it's only useful before an Iaijutsu or Ogi Namikiri.

It's only being removed to further simplify another class...
The reasoning was due to DPS fluctuation from crits so they also guaranteed crits on your Iaijustu.
May as well remove crit from the game as well and make everything crit right? No more RNG dps as it makes things to complex.

That sounds like a pretty good future to be honest. Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't add anything of value to the game and new summoner is some of the most fun I've had in a while.

Class complexity exists so there is a skill ceiling and a skill floor for players. So players that want to spend time to understand a class more can perform better and are rewarded for there efforts. Taking this away makes there no point in caring about learning a class at all. So it does add value to the game.

Hissatsu: Kaiten is also known as Dark Arts. That is probably why.

Them what do you call Sages Eukrasia?

[MagicalChase]

Is anyone else disappointed that this action is being removed? Im not a numbers person, nor do I understand what changes are good/ bad for a job, but Hissatsu: Kaiten looks really cool... I mean it looks super cool

And that has to count for something, right?!

You saw how they removed all complexity from summoner? That's the cannary in the coal mine. Every job is getting that treatment. Every job will become so simple that newborns could play it. People will defend it by saying "but the damage is now added to the skill alwasy" yeah and it feels worse to play. This is the future of ffxiv.

[VerdeLuck]

You saw how they removed all complexity from summoner? That's the cannary in the coal mine. Every job is getting that treatment. Every job will become so simple that newborns could play it. People will defend it by saying "but the damage is now added to the skill alwasy" yeah and it feels worse to play. This is the future of ffxiv.

That sounds like a pretty good future to be honest. Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't add anything of value to the game and new summoner is some of the most fun I've had in a while.

[HayaW]

I absolutely understand where you are coming from, but complexity can make something feel rewarding; like solving a puzzle.

[Kyrj]

I absolutely understand where you are coming from, but complexity can make something feel rewarding; like solving a puzzle.

Won't be long until we're just like Guild Wars 2 and all I need to do is press the 1 button and the game will play itself....

[MagicalChase]

That sounds like a pretty good future to be honest. Complexity for the sake of complexity doesn't add anything of value to the game and new summoner is some of the most fun I've had in a while.

Simplicity for the sake of simplcity is also stupid. Why even bother making jobs anymore, just make jobs one button that does 900 potency and thats it. like the npc rotations. I honestly think if you like hte new summoner you'd also enjoy white mage dps rotation.

[VerdeLuck]

Simplicity for the sake of simplcity is also stupid. Why even bother making jobs anymore, just make jobs one button that does 900 potency and thats it. like the npc rotations. I honestly think if you like hte new summoner you'd also enjoy white mage dps rotation.

It's not simplicity for the sake of simplicity, they're removing the button to remove button bloat, which is especially a problem for console players.
Besides, I like white mage it's fun.