DPS who pull mobs

[LianaThorne]

I feel like the simple solution is to talk to everyone in your party before you start. Like:

- Whether or not the tank wants to pull big
- Whether or not the healer can handle big pulls
- Whether or not the DPS know their AoE rotations down

If the majority is confident in big pulls (especially the healer because if they can't handle it it's ultimately irrelevant since ya'll will just keep dying), then you should do big pulls. If the majority wants small pulls, then do small pulls. If people don't answer (due to them being a bot or just not having an opinion) then whoever is left decides the pace. Anyone breaks that or changes the plan? Kick.

If you want to have constant on-point runs completed in the time limit you want, I would suggest forming a group with people outside so you can be sure you'll get the results you want.

You cannot be guaranteed that in roulettes and the people who want to try to boss around strangers or make it all about their own needs need to also get a grip on their power/ego issues. Hard pill to swallow incoming: The world doesn't revolve around you. It is ultimately a team effort. If you're sick of a group being slow, you can bite the penalty and go take the time to form a group that shares your mentality of how quickly dungeons should be run.

[Awha]

I know what you meant, which is why I quoted that other person again, and all you responded with was what you're been saying all along. The person in the qoute mentioned a tank was pulling smaller, it wasn't "just" the tank or "just" the healer.

Again, did you read any of that? You keep saying "majority", but your "majority" seems to revolve around what the dps want, regardless of how you dress it. I literally just said if the tank/healer (which can be either, or, or both) want a calmer pace and I (also as dps), don't care either way, that's the majority right there. If you, as the odd dps out, insist on going fast? Guess what, You're not the majority, and you can either take what roulette gave you, or eat a penalty. W2W pulls are something a portion of NA decided was expected, it isn't a basic requirement, whatever anyone on this forum tells themselves.

If the opposite is true and only one person wants to go at a calmer pace, they can make a request, and there's nothing wrong with that. The polite thing to do would be to acquiesce said request (though given the "ME ME ME" attitude on this forum...), but if they don't, then the person in that scenario can stick around or leave. I'd probably also leave with them though just on principle.

At the end of the day, roulette is roulette. If someone wants to go slower, deal with it.

Thing is pulling extra is a form of asking if I pull extra and the tank grabs aggro cool, if not I wait on the timer to try and kick and vote determines what the majority wants. How is that hard to understand? It goes for any role but since I mostly play tank or healer I can get away with pulling extra even if one person wants to go slower.

This is also why rarely dps without friends cause I have less tools to survive pulling extra on my own blood bath and arms length do grant me time though. Though as a tank if a healer wants small pulls I will pull W2W and if the dps are on point and the healer either refuses or cannot heal me (which is rare unless they are woefully under geared or just spam pysick or cure 1) most times I will survive at the higher levels. Lower levels it is more of a toss up.

Same for healer, especially if I get dps that use arms length. Also for me it is not just about speed I just find single pulls boring. Though getting through them quicker is nice. Also dps do have a say Judy need the other dps and either tank or healer to join in. Unless it is a duo tank or healer from experience you are likely to have one of those to join in on the extra pull.

This part seems contradictory to everything else you've saying. You say one person doesn't dictate the pace and duty finder is random then this? Which is it? Seems to me you operate under the idea of "I know best and its my way or the highway"

So what if the tank doesn't meet you're expectations of W2W pulls, just roll with it, its DF.

It is not contradictory pulling extra is a form of asking and the vote determines what the group wants. If the vote fails I will just leave though oddly enough it rarely does thus my statement that the general player base probably expects larger pulls.

Sure for those first 5 min I do what I want but after that I go by the will of the vote. I just find asking in chat does not produce a truthful response. Since when ask most often people will say idc but if a vote starts from experience the idc crowd has to make a binary choice yes or no.

Overall for those that are against what I am saying. I have been saying this does not matter about role. Though say if a dps wants to go slower and speaks up how many groups do you think would respond favorably to that dps?

[Novae]

Imagine being a DF tryhard.
Hilarious.

[Awha]

Imagine being a DF tryhard.
Hilarious.

I do not think not like small pulls is try hard, they are just boring. Single pulls in this game do not even require a tank and in some cases you do not even need a healer. For fun I have done 3 DPS 1 tank/healer or just 4 tank/dps/heal runs with friends.

[BaconBits]

I feel like the simple solution is to talk to everyone in your party before you start. Like:

- Whether or not the tank wants to pull big
- Whether or not the healer can handle big pulls
- Whether or not the DPS know their AoE rotations down

If the majority is confident in big pulls (especially the healer because if they can't handle it it's ultimately irrelevant since ya'll will just keep dying), then you should do big pulls. If the majority wants small pulls, then do small pulls. If people don't answer (due to them being a bot or just not having an opinion) then whoever is left decides the pace. Anyone breaks that or changes the plan? Kick.

If you want to have constant on-point runs completed in the time limit you want, I would suggest forming a group with people outside so you can be sure you'll get the results you want.

You cannot be guaranteed that in roulettes and the people who want to try to boss around strangers or make it all about their own needs need to also get a grip on their power/ego issues. Hard pill to swallow incoming: The world doesn't revolve around you. It is ultimately a team effort. If you're sick of a group being slow, you can bite the penalty and go take the time to form a group that shares your mentality of how quickly dungeons should be run.

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

[Awha]

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

Indeed LOL

[LittleCorvid]

I might actually do this, thanks.

[SenorPatty]

Why bother talking to your teammates when you can just pull and let Hydaelyn sort out the rest?

I live by this every day when I tank. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, I adjust, plain and simple. People's ego gets in the way too much at the forefront of what's probably going to be a 15-20min run. And if shit hits the fan and makes the run longer? Dust yourself off and move on.

People putting too much stock on the possibility of wiping or not obeying the unsaid rules of tanking in a game where the devs have gone out of their way to make life easier for everyone-whether they wanted it or not--is just far too comical from where I'm standing.

[Awha]

I live by this every day when I tank. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, I adjust, plain and simple. People's ego gets in the way too much at the forefront of what's probably going to be a 15-20min run. And if shit hits the fan and makes the run longer? Dust yourself off and move on.

People putting too much stock on the possibility of wiping or not obeying the unsaid rules of tanking in a game where the devs have gone out of their way to make life easier for everyone-whether they wanted it or not--is just far too comical from where I'm standing.

This is the main reason no matter the role I play I just pull extra more often then not it goes well enough. Also part of the reason why I do not ask cause often people will either say idc or no simply out of comfort but not for a lack of ability.

[ZedxKayn]

Imagine being a DF tryhard.
Hilarious.

If wanting to use as much of your kit as possible is being a "tryhard"

Nah the issue us that a lot of DF people are the opposite, they don't try hard enough.

You can try to say that but no one will feel embarrassed for putting in effort in something they like