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  1. #33891
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    I had a white mage in Tower of Zot spam cure 1 because it was "mana efficient". I proposed that using holy to lock things down for 10~ seconds would also be mana efficient, as well as improve kill speed, but I guess that made me the bad guy lol.
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  2. #33892
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brixy View Post
    I had a white mage in Tower of Zot spam cure 1 because it was "mana efficient". I proposed that using holy to lock things down for 10~ seconds would also be mana efficient, as well as improve kill speed, but I guess that made me the bad guy lol.
    I use cure 1 sometimes too. The problem with glare is, it has a long cast time and you cannot stunlock the mobs forever because after the third cast it has no effect anymore. And the second problem is, many tanks should not make wall-to-wall pulls because of their gear or they play a DRK. It has no sense to cast glare when the tank will die before the cast is finished. So it is better to heal. It always depends on the situation.


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  3. #33893
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    I use cure 1 sometimes too. The problem with glare is, it has a long cast time and you cannot stunlock the mobs forever because after the third cast it has no effect anymore. And the second problem is, many tanks should not make wall-to-wall pulls because of their gear or they play a DRK. It has no sense to cast glare when the tank will die before the cast is finished. So it is better to heal. It always depends on the situation.


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    1) Damage is the best form of mitigation so you should keep spamming Holy until 1) The tank needs healing and/or 2) There are 2 enemies left, at that point use Glare

    2) Glare has a 1.5s cast time, which definitely isn't long. It also gives you time to weave an oGCD

    3) DRK is perfectly capable of doing wall to wall pulls

    4) If you need to heal with a GCD, then you have Cure II. Cure has no place, especially when you are at Zot.
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  4. #33894
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    1) Damage is the best form of mitigation so you should keep spamming Holy until 1) The tank needs healing and/or 2) There are 2 enemies left, at that point use Glare

    2) Glare has a 1.5s cast time, which definitely isn't long. It also gives you time to weave an oGCD

    3) DRK is perfectly capable of doing wall to wall pulls

    4) If you need to heal with a GCD, then you have Cure II. Cure has no place, especially when you are at Zot.
    Ohh, sorry. I mean Holy instead of Glare.

    Holy has a 2,5 seconds cast time. For some tanks it is too long with only a HoT. So you have the choice to heal or to "waste" your Swiftcast-CD for the first Holy or cast Holy the first time and then "waste" the Benediction-CD to rescue the tank because he lost 90% of his LP in the 2,5 seconds. :/

    And no, DRKs are broken at the moment and there is a huge difference between the tanks in terms of wall-to-wall pulls. If i have a DRK in a group and he does wall-to-wall pulls then i do not use Holy very often. If he can "outgear" the content then it is not a huge problem. But new DRKs are way more heal intensive than warriors or paladins.


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  5. #33895
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    A random NIN in Eden's Gate: Inundation thanked me the SCH for rescuing them out of LB animation lock at last few seconds of encounter. They pulled off the LB and got to safety. Satisfaction is earned.

    "I love you Sch" said the NIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    And no, DRKs are broken at the moment and there is a huge difference between the tanks in terms of wall-to-wall pulls. If i have a DRK in a group and he does wall-to-wall pulls then i do not use Holy very often. If he can "outgear" the content then it is not a huge problem. But new DRKs are way more heal intensive than warriors or paladins.


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    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.
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  6. #33896
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brixy View Post
    I had a white mage in Tower of Zot spam cure 1 because it was "mana efficient". I proposed that using holy to lock things down for 10~ seconds would also be mana efficient, as well as improve kill speed, but I guess that made me the bad guy lol.
    im pretty sure it belongs here , since WHM skills . but overall Tower of Zot with enemies after second boss , when tank going to wall to wall pulls . its really hell for other healers . tried it on every except SCH, and its so tight chance to survive . i wonder if it helps if some range dps uses LB1 , but its nothing i saw yet since EW dropped - mostly no LB from DPS when between bosses.
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  7. #33897
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    Tower of Zot is W2W not so bad. For Sage it depends on the CD rotation of the tank, as a WHM no problem as a SCH i stuff my glowing fly into the tank and as AST is prep my Lightspeed + Neutral Sect and Chuck Norris it >.<

    I got aksed in Puppets Bunker why i am not shielding the party as Sage .... ALL THE TIME ? I was so "you got Kerachole and Physis want do you want ?" and Oh boi i got flamed the rest of the run.
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  8. #33898
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    Djar Trovasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    Tower of Zot is W2W not so bad. For Sage it depends on the CD rotation of the tank, as a WHM no problem as a SCH i stuff my glowing fly into the tank and as AST is prep my Lightspeed + Neutral Sect and Chuck Norris it >.<

    I got aksed in Puppets Bunker why i am not shielding the party as Sage .... ALL THE TIME ? I was so "you got Kerachole and Physis want do you want ?" and Oh boi i got flamed the rest of the run.
    The number of people who think you're meant to shield every single 25% max hp raidwide is frankly insane, like if it's not going to kill you, you don't need a shield, you'll take my free regens and you'll like it
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  9. #33899
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post

    I got aksed in Puppets Bunker why i am not shielding the party as Sage .... ALL THE TIME ? I was so "you got Kerachole and Physis want do you want ?" and Oh boi i got flamed the rest of the run.
    They would have massive panic when a scholar isn't spamming Succor then lol
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  10. #33900
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larirawiel View Post
    Ohh, sorry. I mean Holy instead of Glare.

    Holy has a 2,5 seconds cast time. For some tanks it is too long with only a HoT. So you have the choice to heal or to "waste" your Swiftcast-CD for the first Holy or cast Holy the first time and then "waste" the Benediction-CD to rescue the tank because he lost 90% of his LP in the 2,5 seconds. :/

    And no, DRKs are broken at the moment and there is a huge difference between the tanks in terms of wall-to-wall pulls. If i have a DRK in a group and he does wall-to-wall pulls then i do not use Holy very often. If he can "outgear" the content then it is not a huge problem. But new DRKs are way more heal intensive than warriors or paladins.


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    Umm, is there anything preventing you from pressing ogcd heals during pulls? Am confused.

    Swift > Holy > lucid + pom > Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy Holy > Hope the tank is not saving living dead for second coming > Holy Holy Holy > bene > Holy Holy Holy > Win?

    Have managed to duo the chungus pull in Holminster with no deeps present as Dark Knight and Sage... Dark Knight is not bad it is simply not overpowered.
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    Last edited by MiaShino; 01-25-2022 at 07:22 AM.

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