FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[Gameovers]

If they changed their displayed character, I'm not sure that you can actually track down who their other character at endgame is, unless they tell you. Which would defeat the purpose of posting as an alt.

Currently I have eight characters registered to my account. If you go to the Characters tab of my profile, you can only see the four that I have manually linked. As far as I'm aware, there's no way of identifying who the others are either from my profile or via Lodestone.

Even if you could do that, there's no way of confirming that they don't have a second account entirely. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that.

This is not to defend his views, but simply to point out that there wouldn't be a visible difference between someone who has reached endgame and someone who hasn't if they choose to conceal it.

I didn't mean it like that. I just meant if they changed it after that post.. as in they changed it after we saw they already have an 80 character. that was the proof. I hate text T.T I hope that makes more sense.

[Gameovers]

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main. If every post I made in this thread prior to our exchange was done under my alt-registered character, you'd have no clue if I've done endgame or not. You'd only have the assumption I haven't because all you'd see is a char that's not lvl 80. That's why just going off registered char is flawed. At least Iscah made their case using the OP's post history, which is a comparatively better metric.

With that said, not every criticism about XIV endgame requires you to experience endgame first hand. I don't have to know how to bake a cake to see that a muffin is simple compared to a wedding cake. Same way I don't have to personally Hero's Gauntlet when, from observation, the dungeon design follows the same formula as the very first dungeon in the game. Now if I comment on Hero's difficulty without having experienced it then that would be another story.

No. I meant that the difference in you changing your character now would be that we seen your level 80. So long as you stayed on the account FeliAiko we'll know you had an 80 and just changed. Thats the difference. With the OP we don't have that. We just have a bunch of post history proving they haven't played anything past 25. Which still goes back to them posting on a level 25. So yeah.. everything they say is void because they did not experince it themselves. Anyone can go and say " X is bad " because someone else said it. .but heres there difference.. thats ALL they can say. They can't tell you why, how when or how to fix it because they have no expereince with it. And that isn't a debate worth having. That's why OP's level matters. At the end of the day, making this thread with that character should always get called into question. And seeing as his post history proves he knowns nothing it was right for people to question him.

Let me add by saying it really is what he is saying though. He's comparing a completely different mmo to this one.. and he hasn't reach any content that matters for his debates to work. You don't compare like that. This would be different if he had an endgame character and whatnot. But from the looks of it it just looks like he wants XIV to be another game and seeing how he only got to 25 on an account thats older than 2 years.... Why would you take his opinion in?

[Vyrerus]

It's highly subjective so to each their own, sure. What I personally like, though, and what XIV is severely lacking is a general sense of progression (apart from raiding, maybe). The JP midnight thing seems arbitrary, granted, but at least you are steadily progressing or have something to look forward to. Warframe does pretty much evolve around that. It's nice for my lizzard brain to get a reward after a little wait. lol Beastmen tribes do the same thing.

A little pet peeve of mine is when NPCs say they'll contact you later or whatever and you immediately can progress and everyone pretends you were gone for a few days. But that's just me. But I can understand when people don't like waiting around. But it's not like there aren't other things to do. Oh, and doesn't DF reset at JP midnight? Guess that's a vestige from that.

On the weather front, I strongly disagree. It was part of a strategy to take the day and moon phase into account whether you were fighting or crafting. It was awesome! lol And it really meant something when you were in a snowstorm or at a hot beach. But then again, the overworld posed an actual threat. If anything, it really helps me immerse myself. In XIV, the weather is literally just a set dressing, switched on and off like the white sky in ShB (I will say, though, that it's neat how the weather changes when monstrs like Ixion are around).

The JP midnight thing was annoying as heck, because the quests didn't even always have a line of dialogue baked in to mention waiting a day or come back in a while. Like yeah, it's still around, but now it's for things considered to be a bonus or boon. Stuff it makes sense to timegate like that, rather than, "Trade this item to the ???. Now wait until JP midnight and trade it to the ??? again."

That sorta thing that's your pet peeve is usually connected to quests that were patch ends. Not always, but most of the time, and yeah, it's kinda silly but that's the reason for that.

For weather and day bonuses in XI, like yeah, it was another thing to account for, but all it really meant was that when you couldn't afford to fail, if you could afford to fight whatever you were fighting at a later time, it simply meant waiting until the right conditions. Tactical waiting, yeehaw. Like how it behooves you as a RDM 70 to wait until Earthsday for the Maat fight, so you can just full time a Terra's Staff for that sweet -20% physical damage taken while having a better MP economy per damage dealt with Stone III versus Aero III or Water III. I can recall many times where spells wouldn't stick due to the day or weather penalizing their element. But basically it did boil down to either tactical waiting or grinning and bearing it when it attributed to death or failure.

[FeliAiko]

No. I meant that the difference in you changing your character now would be that we seen your level 80.

Yes, that's what hindsight means, which is why I brought it up to begin with.

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main.

With the OP we don't have that. We just have a bunch of post history proving they haven't played anything past 25.

I doubt you went through an entire 900+ post history, stretching back 3 years (which would indicate OP having been subbed for at least that long as you cannot make posts on OF if unsubbed), to confirm if they only have a lvl 25 char or not. It's pretty naive to think that someone would continue paying a sub (on and off, or otherwise) just to sit on a lvl25 char and complain about endgame stuff repeatedly during that whole time.

Iscah's point was that OP apparently has a history of making threads/posts like these, in ways to deliberately draw attention so that devs might notice or something. Either way, signs are more likely they're someone that's reached endgame and for whatever reason still plays the game on and off even though they're not fully enamored by it. Those type of players aren't exactly a rare occurrence.

Which still goes back to them posting on a level 25.

Post history is not tied to the player character you were registered on when you made the post, but your SE account.

Anyone can go and say " X is bad " because someone else said it..but heres there difference.. thats ALL they can say. They can't tell you why, how when or how to fix it because they have no expereince with it. And that isn't a debate worth having. That's why OP's level matters. At the end of the day, making this thread with that character should always get called into question. And seeing as his post history proves he knowns nothing it was right for people to question him.

Let me add by saying it really is what he is saying though. He's comparing a completely different mmo to this one.. and he hasn't reach any content that matters for his debates to work. You don't compare like that. This would be different if he had an endgame character and whatnot. But from the looks of it it just looks like he wants XIV to be another game and seeing how he only got to 25 on an account thats older than 2 years.... Why would you take his opinion in?

You haven't actually proven with any credible evidence that OP doesn't have an endgame character, though. All you've gone by is current registered character, and it's already been pointed out by myself and Iscah why trying to go that route is flawed.

[MsMisato]

different kind of mmos. In fact since you seem to have forgotten, ff14 1.0 had the ff11 style and it was one of the major factors that it flopped, it was only after that, that they took inspiration from Wow that 2.0 came to fruition.
Also i read most of it, the only thing that stack to me was how you compare it to ff1 and ff13. especially saying ff14 is also linear and ff13 side questing was more rewarding.
So ill say again what i said, youre comparing apples to oranges and finding the later inferior.

Not really. It was you could play for a certain amount of time before you got severely diminished returns in xp. No seriously you got fatigue and eventually you couldn't gain xp. Its like why and it took them.forever to remove it.

Also the latency server side was absolutely horrendous on top of the high pc requirements to actually run the game set the game towards a failed MMO.

That's the major reasons it failed in the first place.

[Gameovers]

Yes, that's what hindsight means, which is why I brought it up to begin with.





I doubt you went through an entire 900+ post history, stretching back 3 years (which would indicate OP having been subbed for at least that long as you cannot make posts on OF if unsubbed), to confirm if they only have a lvl 25 char or not. It's pretty naive to think that someone would continue paying a sub (on and off, or otherwise) just to sit on a lvl25 char and complain about endgame stuff repeatedly during that whole time.

Iscah's point was that OP apparently has a history of making threads/posts like these, in ways to deliberately draw attention so that devs might notice or something. Either way, signs are more likely they're someone that's reached endgame and for whatever reason still plays the game on and off even though they're not fully enamored by it. Those type of players aren't exactly a rare occurrence.



Post history is not tied to the player character you were registered on when you made the post, but your SE account.



You haven't actually proven with any credible evidence that OP doesn't have an endgame character, though. All you've gone by is current registered character, and it's already been pointed out by myself and Iscah why trying to go that route is flawed.

Then they should prove it. And post on their main character or account. That's what me and a few others have been saying. And until they do their word is not valid. I also don't need to prove anything. I'm not the one saying the game needs to change based on things I have not done. Again why defend someone who's a known troll? You even agree to this. so why defend him?

To add more detail to this.. .this whole debate we're having proves my earlier point. Had they posted on their endgame character none of this would've came up. You even confirm this. You know people will do this and it'll never stop. And it shouldn't stop. Because your character is all we see.. that and your post history. When your post history already proves you're a troll looking to stur people up you're already losing. And to add to that you only post on a level 25 character? Yeah man you get called out and rightfully so. Thats the issue. If he wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove it's worth it to be taken seriously. And that's not creating troll topics on a level 25 character. Again. If we let him get away with that then that only lets other people come here and complain about stuff they never did. Like people who complain about endgame yet have never touched it. We don't need more of that.

[Jirah]

I've noticed that if anyone says anything bad about this game or if they say they are getting bored , the people in the comments really do just be like" lol, leave"..

every forum is like this, people hate critique and will go the extra mile to defend whichever harebrained argument transpires. The good ol' bait.

but ff14 difficulty is one of my bigger complaints, as its a huge gross trend to dum everything down becuase dum people have alot of money theyd like to have, so I have no issue with the topic. This isnt a kids game guys we pay a fee every month to be bored to death by difficulty found in a pokemon game.

[Jirah]

To be fair sometimes when people criticise the game it's painfully clear that they don't want improvements in just some areas. They want so many changes that it would end up being a totally different game. If the game is enjoyed by the majority of the player population then I think it's completely fair to tell the OP that they should play something else. Especially if that something else they want already exists in a different game.

In OP's case it seems they appear to want XIV to be XI-2. They need to realise that while this game was initially intended to be a successor to XI, that design philosophy was left behind in 1.0 which was a very long time ago by now. They need to face the fact that for most of XIV's existence it has not been intended to be the next step from XI, and it won't ever be going down that path again save for specific features like Eureka, which are side content and not the core of the game.

Regardless of whether OP likes the game or not XIV's current design philosophy is successful. It's not perfect, but is any game? I feel like if they want to play XI then they should go play XI instead of complaining that a completely different game isn't XI.

During the time when I played both WoW and XIV I found myself far preferring XIV, and while I would have loved to see the things about XIV I love come to WoW I had the presence of mind to realise that these games target different audiences. I didn't make a post about how WoW should adpot some things SE do. I just left the game behind and played XIV full time instead. OP needs to understand that XI and XIV target different audiences.

I think OP's time would be better spent discussing with XI players how a XI-2 game would be and what they would want it to be, instead of coming here complaining that XIV isn't XI.

well said

you dont eat pizza wishing it was steak. Improving Pizza is easier than trying to figure out what gross shinanagins you can muster to please both steak lovers and pizza lovers when its easier to make pizza better as it is and always will be

[Gameovers]

every forum is like this, people hate critique and will go the extra mile to defend whichever harebrained argument transpires. The good ol' bait.

but ff14 difficulty is one of my bigger complaints, as its a huge gross trend to dum everything down becuase dum people have alot of money theyd like to have, so I have no issue with the topic. This isnt a kids game guys we pay a fee every month to be bored to death by difficulty found in a pokemon game.

I think it's abit deeper than that. Yeah there are people who blindly defend anything but I don't think that is what is happening here now. With the way they had their post it really does look like they just want FF11 part 2. And in that case they would be better off going back to said game. It's one thing to want improvements, it's another thing entirely to want to turn this into another game completely. That's like me coming in and saying I hate the hotkey combat and want a more Tera like system. And come up with a million points to state my point. That doesn't make what I have to say good. That's what OP is doing.

[Controller]

Then they should prove it. And post on their main character or account. That's what me and a few others have been saying. And until they do their word is not valid. I also don't need to prove anything. I'm not the one saying the game needs to change based on things I have not done. Again why defend someone who's a known troll? You even agree to this. so why defend him?

To add more detail to this.. .this whole debate we're having proves my earlier point. Had they posted on their endgame character none of this would've came up. You even confirm this. You know people will do this and it'll never stop. And it shouldn't stop. Because your character is all we see.. that and your post history. When your post history already proves you're a troll looking to stur people up you're already losing. And to add to that you only post on a level 25 character? Yeah man you get called out and rightfully so. Thats the issue. If he wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove it's worth it to be taken seriously. And that's not creating troll topics on a level 25 character. Again. If we let him get away with that then that only lets other people come here and complain about stuff they never did. Like people who complain about endgame yet have never touched it. We don't need more of that.

Sadly while I see your point, you're not helping. All both of you are doing is adding more fuel to what is likely a troll post to make people fight over the internet. It's been proven they do this atleast once a month to do excatly what you two are doing. I know it sucks to drop a point if you believe strongly in it.. but you should just let it go. Enjoy the story and get off the forums. You mentioned you're new. WHY ARE YOU HERE?! This place will ruin you!!!