FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[HeulGDarian]

So you compared apples and oranges you concluded that yes oranges are in fact inferior. congrats

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you dislike this game so much.... Why do you continue to pay for it? You make these threads like, once a month....


At some point you need to realize that it's OK to not like something and move on. That's a thing most people do. Apparently this is hard for you.


I have over 15000 hours logged playing this game going back to 2010. If you are going to try to tell me that I don't enjoy a game I've played almost daily for close to 10 years, then I want some of the stuff you are on.

Mind you, I quit during 1.0 because the experience was awful. I only came back because they announced the rework. And it was good.

[Edax]

Simple does not necessarily mean bad.

[Wind-Krysvein]

It's funny. Some of the things TC says in the first post actually kind of resonate with me.

The abundance of uninteresting, "giant hall"-esque (and non-connecting) zones, lack of actually interesting gear with unique effects, fights relying too heavily on DPS instead of other possible variables, travel becoming overly homogenized (especially now that you can fly in ARR maps) and the like.

But for every single intelligent point made, two ridiculously simplified strawmen follow. You almost had me with you man. Almost.

[rance-sama]

Titanmen is that you?

[Daniolaut]

Simple does not necessarily mean bad.

This is very true. In fact, most people prefer simplicity.

Lets use music as an example.

Pop music is the most popular genre. It is the most simplistic of all genres.

Death Metal is not very popular much at all, but it requires significantly more talent and time to create and produce. The lyrics have significantly more depth, the notes are more intricate, there are more instruments the require more harmonious team work with the band, I could go on and on.

The point I'm making, is well.. this is a RPG.

Even Yoshida himself said FFXIV is a Final Fantasy first, and a MMO second.

But what is Final Fantasy? Its certainly not a platform game like Mario. Mario is significantly more popular than Final Fantasy.

What has been happening to FFXIV, and the Final Fantasy franchise in more recent years, while I still enjoy each and every one, including this one, they seem to be forgetting what a RPG is, and that, well, Final Fantasy is a RPG.

A RPG is not just a game with a great story. Mario, or Tomb Raider, or Dynasty Warriors, or even Halo can have great stories and focus a lot of time making those games with great stories. What makes a RPG a RPG is not just a good story, but character development. Something that FFXIV is nearly entirely devoid of. This was my point.

A great RPG can balance simplicity, and optional character development/customization.

[Penthea]

Pop music is the most popular genre. It is the most simplistic of all genres.

Haha no.

Pop music can be very complex if you look at the whole picture. People usually think "oh the lyrics are basic" or "there is a lot of repetition", but they often don't think of stuff like interesting chord progressions, key changes, rhythm, texture changes and of course the tremendous amount of mixing that is done, especially today. However I will say that the complexity does very much depend on what is trendy and what part of the world you're looking at. For example I have noticed that key changes happen far more currently in kpop than western pop, but that wasn't always the case because...

...pop music has been the fastest evolving genre music has ever had. Every genre evolves but because pop specifically targets trends, it is changes A LOT. Why? Because it is not a specific genre in of itself. The genre is simply "music that takes advantage of what the masses find appealing" which is something that constantly changes. This can be seen in how only a handful of old hits persist in radio play today, while a large amount of hits from the same era no longer have enough listeners that enjoy it.

Also complexity doesn't necessarily make something enjoyable. I have encountered a lot of music that impressed me as a classically trained musician but I didn't actually like the music. I can appreciate what composers and vocalists achieved because I understand what they're doing, but that doesn't guarantee that I will actually enjoy listening to it more than once. This has happened to me in literally every genre I have listened to, and I'm the sort of person who listens to a long list of music genres.

As for gaming, there are a lot of games whose complexity I appreciate but the particular way it has been done is not personally appealing for me. RTS games for example. There is often an incredible amount of complexity in those games, but on a personal level I rarely enjoy them. The pacing is not to my taste, and I am more interested in playing as an individual on the battlefield than being a commander that delegates others to do battle.

What has been happening to FFXIV, and the Final Fantasy franchise in more recent years, while I still enjoy each and every one, including this one, they seem to be forgetting what a RPG is, and that, well, Final Fantasy is a RPG.

I don't think SE are forgetting what a rpg is. I far prefer the older FF games but I don't think the modern FF games are any less of a rpg than the older titles. They still have everything that makes a rpg a rpg. The difference is technology has moved on far enough that mechanics that were impossible to develop before can be done now. As much as I adore the old FF games at their core they're very samey, and that's because the tech didn't exist to do much more than that. It just happened that particular core appealed to a large amount of people, so those games were successful.

Also audiences change. While sometimes people feel that changing games to suit a change in audience can be a bad thing, at the end of the day SE are a business. They need to create something that sells well. And well...FFXIV is becoming more popular with each expansion. A person may not like the direction the game is going in, but they cannot dispute the fact that the formula is a success.

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And as for OP...I wonder why they even play this game. I have seen so many threads by them that go into great detail about why they think the game isn't good and honestly it just looks like they wish FFXIV was a completely different game. When I realised WoW was no longer the game for me I didn't make thread after thread after thread about how I disliked the majority of the game. I just left and played something else.

[MsMisato]

And as for OP...I wonder why they even play this game. I have seen so many threads by them that go into great detail about why they think the game isn't good and honestly it just looks like they wish FFXIV was a completely different game. When I realised WoW was no longer the game for me I didn't make thread after thread after thread about how I disliked the majority of the game. I just left and played something else.

They like the game but don't agree with the direction and that is ok. They post here to see if other people feel the same way and or hoping the devs see's it.From what I gathered its a mix bag of nuts honestly. Some people agree, some don't, but regardless its always good to see what people like and don't like imo. I don't think its any different from any one else posting the same thing over in any of the other forums here. But then again its the forums. I see the same people on twitter post the same thing over and over lol.

[Daniolaut]

Haha no.

You're kidding me right?

You're claiming to be a musician of any kind, and you're trying to say pop music has depth and complexity.

Any vocalist who is worth their weight in their respective genre has to be trained and experienced. There are cases of raw talent but even then, the more successful artists practice, and have aimed to improve.

Some of the greatest and richest compositions are the furthest from pop music.

Rap and todays pop music are vastly popular and are the most base and senseless drivel. You absolutely cant be trying to tell me singing about the back side of a female with synthetic beats and repetitive tunes, which are comprised of the most popular songs today are complex and rich.

These types of songs and compositions, they entertain the basic senses of the human needs. Food, reproduction, and other similar senses. People with advanced and complex minds are not easily invigorated by such simple and basic concepts. Which is the very foundation of what I speak. Angry Birds was extremely popular because it was simple and easy. Games that entertain more complex concepts and require better development, are much more successful in catering to a more developed mind. Hence the comparison of RPG's to platform games.

This is when I don't care if you have 12 million likes and I have 0, there is absolutely no way you will ever convince me that what you're saying as any validity.

As for RPG's Square-Enix themselves said FFXIV was a Final Fantasy first, and a MMO second. But it fails to compare in depth and originality to the entire series including the very first Final Fantasy. It struggles to compete with the very first entry in the series, which released more than 20 years ago.

Gil is worthless, tomes are worthless, 90% or more of all gear is worthless, materia is either melded or not. They literally removed the chances of someone melding the incorrect materia. This means it takes no thought as to what materia to meld, any materia is going to be a bonus, you cant mess it up.

Everything is aesthetics, mounts, minions, glamour, housing. Wanting things to have purpose and be expanded upon is whats being asked. Choices to have weight, and purpose.

It is very simple and very cookie cutter and very very straight forward.

Most all Final Fantasy games, you build your stats and gear to specific fights, you spend time thinking of the best move, and the best course of action to accomplishing goals. From things like Guardian Forces having EXP boost, gil boost, sell items high, mug, all the typical traits in a Final Fantasy game that enriches gameplay. Because gil is used in other places, sometimes you farm gil, sometimes you farm ability stats, you do one thing and it affects a certain outcome in another aspect of the game. Like my example of FFX. You farm monsters in each zone to create a new monster. You fight said created monster to obtain a specific drop. You take that specific drop to gain ability points. You do all these numerous things finding out new uses and purposes to your stats, gear, and currencies to further your character. FFXIV is just item level. Thats it.

Both World of Warcraft, and Final Fantasy XI are more complex than just item level. FFXI has an expansive gear system, World of Warcraft has both a character build system, it even has gear that has specialty stats, not game breaking or game making, but something is better than "just item level."

Even savage content is just a memory game. Either you know the fight or you dont. 99% of most wipes, outside of people simply not knowing the fights, are a cat jumping onto someones keyboard, someone having to sneeze, "wife aggro" you name it.

Absolutely there is no way I can take this seriously.

As for OP, that is me, wanting the game to improve and expand on the very things they have abandoned such as Achievement points, gear customization, point allotment, gear sets, cross class skills/traits/actions. All the things that made FFXIV, FFXIV. Its not just the story. If they stop everything to focus on just the story, when the story ends so will the game.

Thats someone who cares about FFXIV not someone who hates it.... to be so backwards I dont even know if saying this as clearly as I just did will help set you moving forward again.

[linayar]

Rap and todays pop music are vastly popular and are the most base and senseless drivel.

If what you say is true, then your thread is pointless because apparently depth does not sell as much, or at least, your definition of depth.