FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[FeliAiko]

If people can't address the points made, then at least stay silent and let others that want to handle the argument do so. All you types do nothing but give credence to the view that this game's community like to react emotionally to any type of criticism about the game instead of dealing with the points raised.

[Melichoir]

If people can't address the points made, then at least stay silent and let others that want to handle the argument do so. All you types do nothing but give credence to the view that this game's community like to react emotionally to any type of criticism about the game instead of dealing with the points raised.

Why should people entertain the talking points of someone who is posting on a lvl 25 alt? And that's giving credit to the poster that it is an alt. The talking points provided are things that can be pulled from half a dozen Reddit or OF posts within the last month or two with a basic search. Pair that with the frequency of our very own forum troll who copy/pastes threads or what not from Reddit or the OF from years ago, why is it out of the question to bluntly tell the OP to not use an alt before breaking down the discussion points in a serious manner so that we can at the very least see the poster has played through the content they are critiquing.

Running to the defense of every poster who writes a wall of text on an alt doesnt actually help discussion. If they want to talk about endgame and the like, they should at the least show their receipts and that theyve actually gotten to it. Otherwise all this does is encourage trolling or chats with people who havent really even gone through the game telling us about what needs to be changed. And I can almost guarantee that both those cases will drum up more toxicity over the long term as we will keep having to have the same conversation over and over and telling sprouts to just play the game before they tell us how the game in all its nature needs to be changed cause "'X' MMORPG does it this way".

[FeliAiko]

Why should people entertain the talking points of someone who is posting on a lvl 25 alt?

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

[Gameovers]

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

I disagree, I think you do need to be at endgame to comment on how endgame needs to be changed and whatnot. If you're not doing the content then you shouldn't have any opinion on it what so ever. I'm still going thur MSQ and about to hit endgame. Tho yes I read the forums you don't see me asking for things to be changed before I even hit the content. That's like asking the food store to change the flavors before you even try out said food. Noone will take you seriously and they shouldn't.

[Melichoir]

No-one's forcing people to entertain anything. If you don't like the point/thread, ignore it and move on. Don't get why people think replying with comments like 'lol lvl25 alt who cares' actually does anything beyond proving they got bothered enough to respond to a thread they supposedly don't care about.

You don't have to be at endgame to recognise how basic XIV's gearing system is, or how repetitive their dungeon format is, when it's hardly any different at lower levels. I mean, you can still like the game in spite of these things, but let's not act like because someone isn't at endgame any criticisms raised about XIV are automatically void.

OP specifically mentions level 80 content, and speaks about it as though theyve been doing it, but are instead making a long wall of text with a lvl 25 alt. And that is being charitable. Why make this choice and why should anyone humor someone who wont even post with a character that is level 80 so that we can take the criticisms seriously, particularly if they referencing end game content.

Ive no problem addressing the points, but will only do so if I can see we're gonna have a serious conversation with someone whos actually invested time and effort into playing the game. But your position seems to be "Shut up unless you take their points seriously!" despite not even knowing if theyve participated in said content theyre criticizing. If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, post on their 80 and lets see what theyve been up to. Otherwise either this really is just a sprout talking out their butt or a troll looking to waste time.

[FeliAiko]

OP specifically mentions level 80 content, and speaks about it as though theyve been doing it, but are instead making a long wall of text with a lvl 25 alt. And that is being charitable. Why make this choice and why should anyone humor someone who wont even post with a character that is level 80 so that we can take the criticisms seriously, particularly if they referencing end game content.

Ive no problem addressing the points, but will only do so if I can see we're gonna have a serious conversation with someone whos actually invested time and effort into playing the game. But your position seems to be "Shut up unless you take their points seriously!" despite not even knowing if theyve participated in said content theyre criticizing. If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, post on their 80 and lets see what theyve been up to. Otherwise either this really is just a sprout talking out their butt or a troll looking to waste time.

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

[Payadopa]

Don't forget about waiting for JP midnight or the full moon or the waxing gibbous 78%. Don't forget about, oh shit, it's Firesday, now my Paralysis spells have a higher chance of failing, since they're Ice elemental.

It's highly subjective so to each their own, sure. What I personally like, though, and what XIV is severely lacking is a general sense of progression (apart from raiding, maybe). The JP midnight thing seems arbitrary, granted, but at least you are steadily progressing or have something to look forward to. Warframe does pretty much evolve around that. It's nice for my lizzard brain to get a reward after a little wait. lol Beastmen tribes do the same thing.

A little pet peeve of mine is when NPCs say they'll contact you later or whatever and you immediately can progress and everyone pretends you were gone for a few days. But that's just me. But I can understand when people don't like waiting around. But it's not like there aren't other things to do. Oh, and doesn't DF reset at JP midnight? Guess that's a vestige from that.

On the weather front, I strongly disagree. It was part of a strategy to take the day and moon phase into account whether you were fighting or crafting. It was awesome! lol And it really meant something when you were in a snowstorm or at a hot beach. But then again, the overworld posed an actual threat. If anything, it really helps me immerse myself. In XIV, the weather is literally just a set dressing, switched on and off like the white sky in ShB (I will say, though, that it's neat how the weather changes when monstrs like Ixion are around).

[DPZ2]

In XIV, the weather is literally just a set dressing, switched on and off like the white sky in ShB.

Don't let someone who is fishing hear that ...

[Vyrerus]

It's highly subjective so to each their own, sure. What I personally like, though, and what XIV is severely lacking is a general sense of progression (apart from raiding, maybe). The JP midnight thing seems arbitrary, granted, but at least you are steadily progressing or have something to look forward to. Warframe does pretty much evolve around that. It's nice for my lizzard brain to get a reward after a little wait. lol Beastmen tribes do the same thing.

A little pet peeve of mine is when NPCs say they'll contact you later or whatever and you immediately can progress and everyone pretends you were gone for a few days. But that's just me. But I can understand when people don't like waiting around. But it's not like there aren't other things to do. Oh, and doesn't DF reset at JP midnight? Guess that's a vestige from that.

On the weather front, I strongly disagree. It was part of a strategy to take the day and moon phase into account whether you were fighting or crafting. It was awesome! lol And it really meant something when you were in a snowstorm or at a hot beach. But then again, the overworld posed an actual threat. If anything, it really helps me immerse myself. In XIV, the weather is literally just a set dressing, switched on and off like the white sky in ShB (I will say, though, that it's neat how the weather changes when monstrs like Ixion are around).

The JP midnight thing was annoying as heck, because the quests didn't even always have a line of dialogue baked in to mention waiting a day or come back in a while. Like yeah, it's still around, but now it's for things considered to be a bonus or boon. Stuff it makes sense to timegate like that, rather than, "Trade this item to the ???. Now wait until JP midnight and trade it to the ??? again."

That sorta thing that's your pet peeve is usually connected to quests that were patch ends. Not always, but most of the time, and yeah, it's kinda silly but that's the reason for that.

For weather and day bonuses in XI, like yeah, it was another thing to account for, but all it really meant was that when you couldn't afford to fail, if you could afford to fight whatever you were fighting at a later time, it simply meant waiting until the right conditions. Tactical waiting, yeehaw. Like how it behooves you as a RDM 70 to wait until Earthsday for the Maat fight, so you can just full time a Terra's Staff for that sweet -20% physical damage taken while having a better MP economy per damage dealt with Stone III versus Aero III or Water III. I can recall many times where spells wouldn't stick due to the day or weather penalizing their element. But basically it did boil down to either tactical waiting or grinning and bearing it when it attributed to death or failure.

[Payadopa]

yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say your opinion is pretty much worthless if you think XIV is in any way, shape, or form, simpler than the older final fantasy games.

Tastes are subjective but that's not even up to debate at this point. The combo and subjob system in XI alone are way more thought-provoking than XIV. /shrug