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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valic View Post
    Yet again you're shoving words in my mouth. There's obviously yet another 1:1 disagreement in this thread on opinions on the matter so I'm done here lol. Also back in the day, people did nearly destroy their controllers just to see content lol. The mechanic is fun and it is very much do-able.




    I mean idk about you but I can take my keyboard and press it against the side of my table and it'll hit every key as I rub it up and down the sides lol. Seriously lol.



    "Sick hands"... Ngl, this made me chuckle at the terminology here. If you have temporary condition that's preventing this, why are you doing something that would be putting your hands at risk in the first place? Like going on a jog with a strained ankle. If you have a permanent condition? I gave a multitude of examples prior already but I again retort with "what did people do before we had the ability to whine back to change for everyone else?". I do know this is just about the QTE but I personally found it great to do as many others have. It does in fact offer a challenge, whether or not you have an opinion on that, it's a fact that it does and you can find videos of people "struggling" wanting to beat it. Not in such a way that's demanding it to change or thinking its unfair, but in such a way that is "AH GEEZ I BARELY MADE IT". Yes, it is a challenge, and again there isn't anything wrong with it being so difficult for the FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS.

    It also demands that everyone tries their best, which if you can't in a duty finder queue, then consider going with friends in a private queue.
    You are in a really strange dialogue, bypassing the thinking of the root cause. People write about the technical problems of physiology and after many years and three add-ons they get frankly stupid mechanics. You only bring misunderstanding into this discussion, where you do not see further than your position
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  2. #92
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    Venan Rehw-dvre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burado_T View Post
    You are in a really strange dialogue, bypassing the thinking of the root cause. People write about the technical problems of physiology and after many years and three add-ons they get frankly stupid mechanics. You only bring misunderstanding into this discussion, where you do not see further than your position
    Welcome to literally everyone on forums.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valic View Post
    Welcome to literally everyone on forums.
    It's not enough to greet, here people are still discussing pressing game problems, but there is no rationality in your statements and you only create a ground for under-understanding, even if it is unintentional
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valic View Post
    I mean idk about you but I can take my keyboard and press it against the side of my table and it'll hit every key as I rub it up and down the sides lol. Seriously lol.
    Lol, idk, lol, i'm glad you're fortunate enough, lol, but people happens to play on laptops, lol, was that too much "lol", lol.

    On a more serious note, for someone who's "done here" you're making a lot of effort to prove your point. And if you're considering pressing one button to the ground "a challenge"...

    I like the fight. I really do. More tank LB3, please. But, really, pushing one button isn't nearly as fun as pressing all your defensive spells and abilities so party could live to fight another day. There's much, much, MUCH more engaging ways to make us feel accomplishment at THE FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS. But no. Smash a button or you all gonna die. It's just bad game design.
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    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
    J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valic View Post
    Yes, it is a challenge, and again there isn't anything wrong with it being so difficult for the FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS.
    No, this is not a challenge, this is an absolutely unreasonable move in a casual game that players with different abilities go through, forcing them to press the button many times, and then, if they cannot do this, oppose the whole group that has a wipe.

    What you are doing now is common bullying. For the reason that you do not like the fact that others from their position, politely report the shortcomings of the game mechanics. I bet you will soon be disappointed with this mechanic when someone will start trolling your group.
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    No, this is not a challenge, this is an absolutely unreasonable move in a casual game that players with different abilities go through, forcing them to press the button many times, and then, if they cannot do this, oppose the whole group that has a wipe.

    What you are doing now is common bullying. For the reason that you do not like the fact that others from their position, politely report the shortcomings of the game mechanics. I bet you will soon be disappointed with this mechanic when someone will start trolling your group.
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions. Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions.
    Okay. I will repeat this for you one more time, and again if necessary. We, as the users who bought this product, are discussing the shortcomings that people with disabilities faced in the latest patch.

    SE sells entertainment not only to you, but also to us, moreover, we, like you, regularly pay for their services. Therefore, we will openly discuss what we consider important. Deal with it or leave the thread or find an alternative solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.
    People with disabilities who play this game find solutions every day that you don't even know about. They have enough problems in real life that they have to overcome, without your contrived "challenges".

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
    Now you are devaluing our experience, our efforts and our feelings. This speaks badly about you not only as a player, but also as a person.
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    Meh, I say just add accessibility options for QTE, if you select the option make it so you have to hold one button or something. Sure that might trivialize it in the eyes and some and for others they would see no reasons not to use it why work harder for no reason.

    For whatever reason one might use it QTE are not for everyone and that sort of goes against the nature of the MSQ.

    Granted, I wish the QTE was harder. Though I enjoy QTE's LOL one of my favorite games is just a series of QTE's.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Okay. I will repeat this for you one more time, and again if necessary. We, as the users who bought this product, are discussing the shortcomings that people with disabilities faced in the latest patch.

    SE sells entertainment not only to you, but also to us, moreover, we, like you, regularly pay for their services. Therefore, we will openly discuss what we consider important. Deal with it or leave the thread or find an alternative solution.
    Cool, ask for a solution that only affects you. Not ask to change the whole fight for everyone, over a small group of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    People with disabilities who play this game find solutions every day that you don't even know about. They have enough problems in real life that they have to overcome, without your contrived "challenges".
    Funny, all I see here on this board constantly is people using the disability card for pity or to make the game easier more than already is. At this point, "don't advise them on their gameplay. They might have a disability as far as you know" is a meme as much as "you don't pay my sub".

    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Now you are devaluing our experience, our efforts and our feelings. This speaks badly about you not only as a player, but also as a person.
    Ofc I'm devaluing them. Because you and others are overvaluing them, enough that you can ask for the game to change for everyone. Aren't you devaluing me in the first place, over my "contrived challenges"?
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    I do kind of wish this games approach to challenge was more about actual gameplay than obtuse mechanics and gimmicks.
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