No more QTE please.

[Tamhas]

Again, I get your point but I disagree. The alternative before allows you the leniency to fail, this doesn't, and that is normal for a challenge and lord knows I felt it was rewarding upon getting beyond it. I think if you want to progress, like in any game, then you should find a way to progress through the challenge presented.

There are mechanics and tasks that you can really adapt to. But, tell me, please, how do you suggest players with sick hands get around QTE? People tell you directly "It physically hurts us to do this," you answer "Find a way." What? Why should trials in the game cause real pain?
I also want to note that here we are talking only about QTE, and not about simplifying game mechanics in general. This is not a smart and uninteresting task. It does not say anything about the cohesion of the party, does not throw any challenge.

[Gula]

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

[Lhunuial]

Again, I get your point but I disagree. The alternative before allows you the leniency to fail, this doesn't, and that is normal for a challenge and lord knows I felt it was rewarding upon getting beyond it. I think if you want to progress, like in any game, then you should find a way to progress through the challenge presented. Hand the controller to someone else, the keyboard, mouse, get a program that allows you to hold down your mouse button continuously on the button, stretch your fingers prior, rip the keyboard out and bang it against your table, FIND A WAY, but I think it's unreasonable that every occurance of "difficulty" people come here to whine about it. First it was the solo instances and now it's the finale of an expansion.... It never ceases. You're kept from what you want so long as you limit yourself, and on another side note... I have someone who has no way to press buttons on her keyboard to the extent this thing presents right now..I didn't do it for her either. She found a way.

Back in the day people had issues you do now too. There's no difference of then or now except that people feel so self entitled to demand change on their whims/terms when it's not to their liking or it doesn't suit them. It's so easy to complain and demand everything else change than to find an alternative method, that is what this forum fills up with the most too.

I repeat, I empathize, I get, I understand, I REALLY DO... But there is always another way to progress somehow and asking to change the standard is getting dull. If I was deaf and there was a sound based mechanic required, I wouldn't ask the game to change for my disability, I would find another way to beat the mechanic. That's my own challenge but it's also a challenge in itself without a disability. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the amount of these threads that pop up every patch, so my sympathy is draining very quickly.

"You didn't pass the QTE, you don't deserve to see the next part." Seriously? Seriously? You are coming at me with this? It is as bad as people say. If I was the only one who was saying it you might have point, but I am not the only one who is having trouble and that proves my point here too. I have never complained about anything in this game before, except now.

Using a program to get past the mechanic is against Square Enix's Term of Service. And I'd rather not have my account suspended. And I can't ask anyone to do it for me, because there is no one around to do it for me. You basically telling me to stop playing a game that I love.

You say you're running out of sympathy? I am running out of patience, sympathy and energy trying to get people to see they should care about other people and understand their plight. So I am done talking to you.

[Hatfright]

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

You missed this part, apparently:

rip the keyboard out and bang it against your table

Also, please, don't compare a piano with china made plastic gamepads. That's just won't do.

[Anzaman]

Ran the trial on patch-day and was met with QTE. I was able to pass it easily several times in row.

Rolling your face on keyboard whilst pressing as many buttons as possible to keep the bar high isn't challenging nor fun, it's just tedious and annoying.

We don't need QTE's.

[Lhunuial]

From what they are saying I'mma guess yes it is abit much. Cause they are wanting the everyone dies if one fails to stay in the fight. You asking them to change that goes against what they literally said in their post. Would a change to the QTE be all that bad honestly? If that's changed to what they asked for or something else wouldn't that solve the problem you have with it?

What I want is for me to be able pass that QTE. Now it depends on a good connection, a good computer, and being healthy enough to mash buttons for 15 seconds straight. And I can't do that on most days. I got lucky on Tuesday, because all those conditions were met. I don't usually meet all those conditions, as my previous attempts to pass it have shown when I was trying to do it on an alt.

[Burado_T]

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

You are mistaken because you missed the moment when it was said directly, without slang. Do what you want, but overcoming it, you understand that overcoming this QTE and not having physical functionality for it is not the same thing. And this problem does not exist from the start of the game, but many years later, which puts all progress at a standstill and is unacceptable. Because the game has become more casual than hardcore over the years. Just one QTE makes you stop after so many years, it is unreasonable.

[Valic]

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

Yet again you're shoving words in my mouth. There's obviously yet another 1:1 disagreement in this thread on opinions on the matter so I'm done here lol. Also back in the day, people did nearly destroy their controllers just to see content lol. The mechanic is fun and it is very much do-able.

You missed this part, apparently:

Also, please, don't compare a piano with china made plastic gamepads. That's just won't do.

I mean idk about you but I can take my keyboard and press it against the side of my table and it'll hit every key as I rub it up and down the sides lol. Seriously lol.

There are mechanics and tasks that you can really adapt to. But, tell me, please, how do you suggest players with sick hands get around QTE? People tell you directly "It physically hurts us to do this," you answer "Find a way." What? Why should trials in the game cause real pain?
I also want to note that here we are talking only about QTE, and not about simplifying game mechanics in general. This is not a smart and uninteresting task. It does not say anything about the cohesion of the party, does not throw any challenge.

"Sick hands"... Ngl, this made me chuckle at the terminology here. If you have temporary condition that's preventing this, why are you doing something that would be putting your hands at risk in the first place? Like going on a jog with a strained ankle. If you have a permanent condition? I gave a multitude of examples prior already but I again retort with "what did people do before we had the ability to whine back to change for everyone else?". I do know this is just about the QTE but I personally found it great to do as many others have. It does in fact offer a challenge, whether or not you have an opinion on that, it's a fact that it does and you can find videos of people "struggling" wanting to beat it. Not in such a way that's demanding it to change or thinking its unfair, but in such a way that is "AH GEEZ I BARELY MADE IT". Yes, it is a challenge, and again there isn't anything wrong with it being so difficult for the FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS.

It also demands that everyone tries their best, which if you can't in a duty finder queue, then consider going with friends in a private queue.

You are mistaken because you missed the moment when it was said directly, without slang. Do what you want, but overcoming it, you understand that overcoming this QTE and not having physical functionality for it is not the same thing. And this problem does not exist from the start of the game, but many years later, which puts all progress at a standstill and is unacceptable. Because the game has become more casual than hardcore over the years. Just one QTE makes you stop after so many years, it is unreasonable.

There's plenty of other games that do this. Triple A titles at that.


Personally, I found the struggle of keeping the gauge up to make the instance feel more real, because that is actually the point of the sequence... You're struggling, literally, and hard. So call me cold, argue my logic, throw in my face how unfair it is or shove more words in my mouth how I'm just calling people lazy apparently, but I'm done here and will just say "deal with it" because you can find ways to deal with it. If people can do the same in other games that require such a feat while impaired, then I see no difference here.

[Vahlnir]

Ran the trial on patch-day and was met with QTE. I was able to pass it easily several times in row.

Rolling your face on keyboard whilst pressing as many buttons as possible to keep the bar high isn't challenging nor fun, it's just tedious and annoying.

We don't need QTE's.

They are a neat concept, but they should also be a bit more engaging than "face to keyboard". Maybe make them like Kingdom Hearts where you do jumps and stuff to avoid damage/death. One specific key or a specific pattern of multiple, one time per move or something.

Just not jumping, they will be an obstacle for a healthy person, because they are very poorly developed in this game)

I don't mean manual jumping. I mean pressing a single key (or maybe even a sequence of keys) and watching the action unfold. The Gaia cutscene at the end of the last Eden raid comes to mind, except players could have a direct hand in what is happening like pressing X (on PS4) to break one block of ice, X and O for 2, etc. That entire cutscene felt like it was straight out of Kingdom Hearts.

[Burado_T]

They are a neat concept, but they should also be a bit more engaging than "face to keyboard". Maybe make them like Kingdom Hearts where you do jumps and stuff to avoid damage/death. One specific key or a specific pattern of multiple, one time per move or something.

Just not jumping, they will be an obstacle for a healthy person, because they are very poorly developed in this game)