No more QTE please.

[Infindox]

As I said on another discussion of this fight, the qte itself is okay, but the "all 8 must pass or you wipe" part is a bit harsh, especially when every other fight before this was "miss, you die but everyone else continues". Had a fail on a Trials Roulette run because the tank dced right when that part happened.

I think that msq content should be challenging, but mashing a button super fast or you wipe isn't "challenge".

[Gula]

but mashing a button super fast or you wipe isn't "challenge".

If it's hard for someone it's a challenge for them.

Was it hard for people to manage? Yes. Then it was a challenge. That's just objective.

[Burado_T]

As a healthy person, and having played for a long time, I have watched many SE mistakes. And many of them led to really serious consequences, as at the start of the SB with Russia and Brazil. But, in terms of content, everything was acceptable, since the game unites two camps in the community, we must take this fact into account. And even for me, who loves hardcore, it was a surprise why I should forcibly exploit my gamepad for no particular reason, it costs money. And we have always had hard versions (conditionally common) for everyone, and extreme ones for people who want to be more difficult. But such a QTE is really terrible, it is difficult for people with individual problems, it requires me to reduce the operating time of the gamepad, and it is not extreme, it is a pass-through trial for the plot. And it turns out that they simply put one camp of players under the conditions of another, which is unacceptable!

[Burado_T]

If it's hard for someone it's a challenge for them.

Was it hard for people to manage? Yes. Then it was a challenge. That's just objective.

This is not entirely objective, since the game began to position itself as a hybrid of casual and hardcore. And violation of these boundaries leads to natural problems that are very critical for the community.

[Infindox]

If it's hard for someone it's a challenge for them.

Was it hard for people to manage? Yes. Then it was a challenge. That's just objective.

What I meant was making that part susceptible to the whim of someone's connection is not the kind of challenge that I want in fights. That's not a challenge based on skill, and therefore it's more of a hinderance then anything else.

[Controller]

Let me get this straight. You like having to do the trial over and over again because one single person keeps failing the QTE? No, you don't. You'd get annoyed and call out the person who keeps your party from progressing the fight and in the worst case scenario kick them from your group.

I'm asking for what happens in every previous QTE. That the person who fails the QTE dies, and needs to be rezzed, while the rest of the party can continue the fight. Is that really too much?

You are not understanding where I'm coming from. You are basically saying: Yeah, I want people to keep failing and be frustrated they can't progress the story. I don't care they get kicked out of groups and are thus stuck in a loop.

From what they are saying I'mma guess yes it is abit much. Cause they are wanting the everyone dies if one fails to stay in the fight. You asking them to change that goes against what they literally said in their post. Would a change to the QTE be all that bad honestly? If that's changed to what they asked for or something else wouldn't that solve the problem you have with it?

[Valic]

I mean we had those "press the DDR buttons" events for christmas and you saw how many people disliked that... My point isn't "you people with disabilities are being lazy" but I love how you guys shove words in my mouth. My point is, we found a way to keep going regardless instead of asking for accommodations to be made every instance we were stuck.

As I said on another discussion of this fight, the qte itself is okay, but the "all 8 must pass or you wipe" part is a bit harsh, especially when every other fight before this was "miss, you die but everyone else continues". Had a fail on a Trials Roulette run because the tank dced right when that part happened.

I think that msq content should be challenging, but mashing a button super fast or you wipe isn't "challenge".

I would say it is. Can you handle 12 seconds of keeping the gauge up? You did? Good you earned to see what comes next. You didn't? Well, try again next time, you can do it.

It's really not that bad as people make it out to be. I think the punishment is just fine to the trial's severity.

I wonder what Psycho Mantis would think of how much you play XIV.

He would call me out if I used one of those controllers that repeats the button when held down :^)

As Hatfright and RajNish said above: You are not seeing the point. We are not saying "Hand the game to us on a silver platter". There is no alternative method here. This mechanic is fail and wipe the group. The alternative would be die and don't hold back the group, let the healer rez the dead person afterwards. That's how it was in previous QTEs in FFXIV. That is what we're asking for. So we can at least continue the story. Is that really too much to ask?

Now we're being kept from finishing the story because we fail this QTE.

Back in the day was back in the day. Back in the day I didn't have the issues I have now. Now is now. Do not tell me I haven't tried when I have tried a number of times. When I die to a mechanic I keep on trying until I make it, but this one is different.

Again, I get your point but I disagree. The alternative before allows you the leniency to fail, this doesn't, and that is normal for a challenge and lord knows I felt it was rewarding upon getting beyond it. I think if you want to progress, like in any game, then you should find a way to progress through the challenge presented. Hand the controller to someone else, the keyboard, mouse, get a program that allows you to hold down your mouse button continuously on the button, stretch your fingers prior, rip the keyboard out and bang it against your table, FIND A WAY, but I think it's unreasonable that every occurance of "difficulty" people come here to whine about it. First it was the solo instances and now it's the finale of an expansion.... It never ceases. You're kept from what you want so long as you limit yourself, and on another side note... I have someone who has no way to press buttons on her keyboard to the extent this thing presents right now..I didn't do it for her either. She found a way.

Back in the day people had issues you do now too. There's no difference of then or now except that people feel so self entitled to demand change on their whims/terms when it's not to their liking or it doesn't suit them. It's so easy to complain and demand everything else change than to find an alternative method, that is what this forum fills up with the most too.

I repeat, I empathize, I get, I understand, I REALLY DO... But there is always another way to progress somehow and asking to change the standard is getting dull. If I was deaf and there was a sound based mechanic required, I wouldn't ask the game to change for my disability, I would find another way to beat the mechanic. That's my own challenge but it's also a challenge in itself without a disability. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the amount of these threads that pop up every patch, so my sympathy is draining very quickly.

[Burado_T]

I mean we had those "press the DDR buttons" events for christmas and you saw how many people disliked that... My point isn't "you people with disabilities are being lazy" but I love how you guys shove words in my mouth. My point is, we found a way to keep going regardless instead of asking for accommodations to be made every instance we were stuck.




I would say it is. Can you handle 12 seconds of keeping the gauge up? You did? Good you earned to see what comes next. You didn't? Well, try again next time, you can do it.

It's really not that bad as people make it out to be. I think the punishment is just fine to the trial's severity.



He would call me out if I used one of those controllers that repeats the button when held down :^)

You see, there are clear boundaries between laziness, overcoming, and impossibility in the physical plane, and in general this QTE really stands out sharply against the background of the battle with Shinryu, etc.
And you do not quite correctly express yourself, if you like trials, there are extremes, savages and extremes for you. But then they created a little hardcore to the casual part of the game.

[Hatfright]

But there is always another way to progress somehow .

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

Noone says "handle us the story on a nice plate". People just said "stop putting in mechanics that are not fun and not doable for some at the same time in a damn easy difficulty fight".

[RajNish]

I think if you want to progress, like in any game, then you should find a way to progress through the challenge presented.

When you talk about a challenge, you are speaking from the perspective of a healthy person. It is very easy for you to speculate about the ways to accomplish this challenge without thinking about the actual physical pain. I wish you never find yourself in those circumstances where the steps up the stairs or opening a bottle of milk will become a serious challenge for you and you will be forced to "find a way to progress through the challenge presented".

You say people are complaining here. Yes, they, like all other users of this game, pay their money. And they have the right to express their point of view and ask whether you like it or not. If you are tired of such threads, do not participate in them. You still don't contribute anything useful.