No more QTE please.

[Valic]

I mean we had those "press the DDR buttons" events for christmas and you saw how many people disliked that... My point isn't "you people with disabilities are being lazy" but I love how you guys shove words in my mouth. My point is, we found a way to keep going regardless instead of asking for accommodations to be made every instance we were stuck.

As I said on another discussion of this fight, the qte itself is okay, but the "all 8 must pass or you wipe" part is a bit harsh, especially when every other fight before this was "miss, you die but everyone else continues". Had a fail on a Trials Roulette run because the tank dced right when that part happened.

I think that msq content should be challenging, but mashing a button super fast or you wipe isn't "challenge".

I would say it is. Can you handle 12 seconds of keeping the gauge up? You did? Good you earned to see what comes next. You didn't? Well, try again next time, you can do it.

It's really not that bad as people make it out to be. I think the punishment is just fine to the trial's severity.

I wonder what Psycho Mantis would think of how much you play XIV.

He would call me out if I used one of those controllers that repeats the button when held down :^)

As Hatfright and RajNish said above: You are not seeing the point. We are not saying "Hand the game to us on a silver platter". There is no alternative method here. This mechanic is fail and wipe the group. The alternative would be die and don't hold back the group, let the healer rez the dead person afterwards. That's how it was in previous QTEs in FFXIV. That is what we're asking for. So we can at least continue the story. Is that really too much to ask?

Now we're being kept from finishing the story because we fail this QTE.

Back in the day was back in the day. Back in the day I didn't have the issues I have now. Now is now. Do not tell me I haven't tried when I have tried a number of times. When I die to a mechanic I keep on trying until I make it, but this one is different.

Again, I get your point but I disagree. The alternative before allows you the leniency to fail, this doesn't, and that is normal for a challenge and lord knows I felt it was rewarding upon getting beyond it. I think if you want to progress, like in any game, then you should find a way to progress through the challenge presented. Hand the controller to someone else, the keyboard, mouse, get a program that allows you to hold down your mouse button continuously on the button, stretch your fingers prior, rip the keyboard out and bang it against your table, FIND A WAY, but I think it's unreasonable that every occurance of "difficulty" people come here to whine about it. First it was the solo instances and now it's the finale of an expansion.... It never ceases. You're kept from what you want so long as you limit yourself, and on another side note... I have someone who has no way to press buttons on her keyboard to the extent this thing presents right now..I didn't do it for her either. She found a way.

Back in the day people had issues you do now too. There's no difference of then or now except that people feel so self entitled to demand change on their whims/terms when it's not to their liking or it doesn't suit them. It's so easy to complain and demand everything else change than to find an alternative method, that is what this forum fills up with the most too.

I repeat, I empathize, I get, I understand, I REALLY DO... But there is always another way to progress somehow and asking to change the standard is getting dull. If I was deaf and there was a sound based mechanic required, I wouldn't ask the game to change for my disability, I would find another way to beat the mechanic. That's my own challenge but it's also a challenge in itself without a disability. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the amount of these threads that pop up every patch, so my sympathy is draining very quickly.

[Burado_T]

I mean we had those "press the DDR buttons" events for christmas and you saw how many people disliked that... My point isn't "you people with disabilities are being lazy" but I love how you guys shove words in my mouth. My point is, we found a way to keep going regardless instead of asking for accommodations to be made every instance we were stuck.




I would say it is. Can you handle 12 seconds of keeping the gauge up? You did? Good you earned to see what comes next. You didn't? Well, try again next time, you can do it.

It's really not that bad as people make it out to be. I think the punishment is just fine to the trial's severity.



He would call me out if I used one of those controllers that repeats the button when held down :^)

You see, there are clear boundaries between laziness, overcoming, and impossibility in the physical plane, and in general this QTE really stands out sharply against the background of the battle with Shinryu, etc.
And you do not quite correctly express yourself, if you like trials, there are extremes, savages and extremes for you. But then they created a little hardcore to the casual part of the game.

[Hatfright]

But there is always another way to progress somehow .

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

Noone says "handle us the story on a nice plate". People just said "stop putting in mechanics that are not fun and not doable for some at the same time in a damn easy difficulty fight".

[Gula]

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

[Hatfright]

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

You missed this part, apparently:

rip the keyboard out and bang it against your table

Also, please, don't compare a piano with china made plastic gamepads. That's just won't do.

[Burado_T]

lol dude. Wait. Hear me out.

Do you destroy a piano when playing really fast? Because when people say mash or bash, they don't mean literally try to break the thing. They mean tap-pity tap tap across multiple keys. No one's going Angry German Kid. They're going keyboard cat.

You are mistaken because you missed the moment when it was said directly, without slang. Do what you want, but overcoming it, you understand that overcoming this QTE and not having physical functionality for it is not the same thing. And this problem does not exist from the start of the game, but many years later, which puts all progress at a standstill and is unacceptable. Because the game has become more casual than hardcore over the years. Just one QTE makes you stop after so many years, it is unreasonable.

[Valic]

Exept, there isn't. Noone in their right mind gonna destroy their property (keyboards and gamepads are a property) for something like that. What else do we need to do, dance on our heads to simply finish the story trial.
And yet again you missed the point:

Yet again you're shoving words in my mouth. There's obviously yet another 1:1 disagreement in this thread on opinions on the matter so I'm done here lol. Also back in the day, people did nearly destroy their controllers just to see content lol. The mechanic is fun and it is very much do-able.

You missed this part, apparently:

Also, please, don't compare a piano with china made plastic gamepads. That's just won't do.

I mean idk about you but I can take my keyboard and press it against the side of my table and it'll hit every key as I rub it up and down the sides lol. Seriously lol.

There are mechanics and tasks that you can really adapt to. But, tell me, please, how do you suggest players with sick hands get around QTE? People tell you directly "It physically hurts us to do this," you answer "Find a way." What? Why should trials in the game cause real pain?
I also want to note that here we are talking only about QTE, and not about simplifying game mechanics in general. This is not a smart and uninteresting task. It does not say anything about the cohesion of the party, does not throw any challenge.

"Sick hands"... Ngl, this made me chuckle at the terminology here. If you have temporary condition that's preventing this, why are you doing something that would be putting your hands at risk in the first place? Like going on a jog with a strained ankle. If you have a permanent condition? I gave a multitude of examples prior already but I again retort with "what did people do before we had the ability to whine back to change for everyone else?". I do know this is just about the QTE but I personally found it great to do as many others have. It does in fact offer a challenge, whether or not you have an opinion on that, it's a fact that it does and you can find videos of people "struggling" wanting to beat it. Not in such a way that's demanding it to change or thinking its unfair, but in such a way that is "AH GEEZ I BARELY MADE IT". Yes, it is a challenge, and again there isn't anything wrong with it being so difficult for the FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS.

It also demands that everyone tries their best, which if you can't in a duty finder queue, then consider going with friends in a private queue.

You are mistaken because you missed the moment when it was said directly, without slang. Do what you want, but overcoming it, you understand that overcoming this QTE and not having physical functionality for it is not the same thing. And this problem does not exist from the start of the game, but many years later, which puts all progress at a standstill and is unacceptable. Because the game has become more casual than hardcore over the years. Just one QTE makes you stop after so many years, it is unreasonable.

There's plenty of other games that do this. Triple A titles at that.


Personally, I found the struggle of keeping the gauge up to make the instance feel more real, because that is actually the point of the sequence... You're struggling, literally, and hard. So call me cold, argue my logic, throw in my face how unfair it is or shove more words in my mouth how I'm just calling people lazy apparently, but I'm done here and will just say "deal with it" because you can find ways to deal with it. If people can do the same in other games that require such a feat while impaired, then I see no difference here.

[Burado_T]

Yet again you're shoving words in my mouth. There's obviously yet another 1:1 disagreement in this thread on opinions on the matter so I'm done here lol. Also back in the day, people did nearly destroy their controllers just to see content lol. The mechanic is fun and it is very much do-able.




I mean idk about you but I can take my keyboard and press it against the side of my table and it'll hit every key as I rub it up and down the sides lol. Seriously lol.



"Sick hands"... Ngl, this made me chuckle at the terminology here. If you have temporary condition that's preventing this, why are you doing something that would be putting your hands at risk in the first place? Like going on a jog with a strained ankle. If you have a permanent condition? I gave a multitude of examples prior already but I again retort with "what did people do before we had the ability to whine back to change for everyone else?". I do know this is just about the QTE but I personally found it great to do as many others have. It does in fact offer a challenge, whether or not you have an opinion on that, it's a fact that it does and you can find videos of people "struggling" wanting to beat it. Not in such a way that's demanding it to change or thinking its unfair, but in such a way that is "AH GEEZ I BARELY MADE IT". Yes, it is a challenge, and again there isn't anything wrong with it being so difficult for the FINALE OF SHADOWBRINGERS.

It also demands that everyone tries their best, which if you can't in a duty finder queue, then consider going with friends in a private queue.

You are in a really strange dialogue, bypassing the thinking of the root cause. People write about the technical problems of physiology and after many years and three add-ons they get frankly stupid mechanics. You only bring misunderstanding into this discussion, where you do not see further than your position

[Valic]

You are in a really strange dialogue, bypassing the thinking of the root cause. People write about the technical problems of physiology and after many years and three add-ons they get frankly stupid mechanics. You only bring misunderstanding into this discussion, where you do not see further than your position

Welcome to literally everyone on forums.

[Burado_T]

Welcome to literally everyone on forums.

It's not enough to greet, here people are still discussing pressing game problems, but there is no rationality in your statements and you only create a ground for under-understanding, even if it is unintentional