"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Laesha]

Aside from that Grand Cosmos run (which people were clearly being jerks while you were doing just fine) some of what you have listed isn't BAD advice, but the delivery wasn't good. AoE on 2 enemies is a waste of time and resources.

Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target. And aoe procs are higher potency than single target 1 2, and is only not worth using if you're about to lose your timer on a single target proc

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

[Vahlnir]

Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target.

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

If a healer isn't comfortable then obviously they should focus on healing more than dps. But Holy is in their toolkit for a reason.

[Laesha]

But Holy is in their toolkit for a reason.

Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

[Vahlnir]

Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

I have a pretty high tolerance for people on any given day. As I said, if a healer isn't comfortable with dpsing and healing then they should stick to healing. But I do feel that Holy should be used more often than it is. Do I say anything? No. As long as people are kept upright I really don't care that much. If things are bad enough in any piece of content I will just leave in silence. I'm just a fan of using everything available in one's toolkit. That isn't me picking sides depending on the day. That is me seeing both sides of this and understanding them.

[Laesha]

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So then, my take away here is that you agree -

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is indeed bad advice.

What it sounds like your advice would be is "Consider using Holy when you feel comfortable. If you're nervous, just take it nice and light. Maybe use it with a swiftcast between OGCD heals. Not only will do good damage, it's also a great mitigation tool because of how long it can stun every enemy in range"

but this is not something i have ever seen someone type on a whim. All context and situational factors are ignored.

USE HOLY<se.1>

[Vahlnir]

So then, my take away here is that you agree -

USE HOLY <se.1>
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is indeed bad advice.

What it sounds like your advice would be is "Consider using Holy when you feel comfortable. If you're nervous, just take it nice and light. Maybe use it with a swiftcast between OGCD heals. Not only will do good damage, it's also a great mitigation tool because of how long it can stun every enemy in range"

but this is not something i have ever seen someone type on a whim. All context and situational factors are ignored.

USE HOLY<se.1>

I'm pretty sure we went over this already. Yes, I think that spamming a macro like that is in poor taste and taking a much more polite approach is better. Thought the same a page ago as well.

Then don't say it's "good advice delivered badly"

It's bad advice because it's incomplete

Again, we went over this already. Why do you continue to beat a dead horse? At this point you are just coming across as being difficult for absolutely no reason.

[Laesha]

I'm pretty sure we went over this already. Yes, I think that spamming a macro like that is in poor taste and taking a much more polite approach is better. Thought the same a page ago as well.

Then don't say it's "good advice delivered badly"

It's bad advice because it's incomplete

[Veis_Alveare]

Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

No one gets comfortable without trying.

If a WHM is refusing to Holy they should be kicked, period.

Now that can happen two ways - one, advising them on the benefits of the spell and seeing if they pick it up. "Hey [WHM] if you Holy on big pulls it stuns everything which saves you from having to heal that damage up, plus it helps kill stuff" isn't hard to type out if you've got a keyboard.

Or... silent kick?

Like you understand those are the two options, right? And that you're advocating for people to be silently kicked rather than advised how to improve? If you're unilaterally opposed to unsolicited advice what you're telling me to do is kick anyone not performing well, I don't think that's what most people want.

[Laesha]

No one gets comfortable without trying.

If a WHM is refusing to Holy they should be kicked, period.

Now that can happen two ways - one, advising them on the benefits of the spell and seeing if they pick it up. "Hey [WHM] if you Holy on big pulls it stuns everything which saves you from having to heal that damage up, plus it helps kill stuff" isn't hard to type out if you've got a keyboard.

Or... silent kick?

Like you understand those are the two options, right? And that you're advocating for people to be silently kicked rather than advised how to improve? If you're unilaterally opposed to unsolicited advice what you're telling me to do is kick anyone not performing well, I don't think that's what most people want.

No. i simply would not vote to kick them.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target. And aoe procs are higher potency than single target 1 2, and is only not worth using if you're about to lose your timer on a single target proc

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

No one gets comfortable doing something without doing it to reach comfort. If someone says they aren't going to DPS and heal as a healer because they aren't comfortable then I'm simply going to suggest to them that they can't get comfortable doing it without doing it. I would much rather wipe once because the healer is stepping out of their comfort zone and trying to improve than simply have an issue-less, slow run because the healer is being a healbot doing zero damage.