"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Espritduo]

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

[Laesha]

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I disagree with nearly everything you've said here. You can leave, kick, or attempt to continue.

[Laesha]

You are forgetting that it's an MMO (a massively multiplayer online game) and you have to group up with other players if you want to proceed further in the content/story/w.e.

You are quite mistaken. I have not forgotten anything. Everything i've said, I have said with this in mind.

Yes, i know to some people it is "fine." I am those people.

As for what the big problem is, I suspect it was touched upon earlier in the thread. It's simply a vast cultural difference. For example, Xtrasweetea seems to think everyone owes everyone, while I firmly believe that no one owes anyone.

[Blackheart]

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

I highly doubt saying "excuse me, but could you..." would get the same response as "Hey! Jack***! know your place and..."

Wording absolutely plays a factor, even if small.

Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

Heh, well you're not wrong

[Espritduo]

Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

Of course. And you can bet most of them don't look too kindly on the person that fired them, justified or not (the terminated employee rarely feels their firing was justified, of course).



Wording plays a factor, but when it comes to how a person is doing their job, there are very few ways to end the sentence "Excuse me, but could you..." that isn't going to raise their hackles, even if they don't openly show it.

[Miracle_Diva]

You are quite mistaken. I have not forgotten anything. Everything i've said, I have said with this in mind.

Yes, i know to some people it is "fine." I am those people.

It's simply a vast cultural difference. For example, Xtrasweetea seems to think everyone owes everyone, while I firmly believe that no one owes anyone.

Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to finish that duty. And not everyone has much time to play. +15 minutes than "normal" in a duty here, +20 minutes there is already a half an hour.

[Laesha]

Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to clear that duty.

And I always give my best effort. That is my number 1 enjoyment in the game, competing against myself to be optimal. Knowledge + effort = contribution. I want to contribute as much as I possibly can to any given duty. Sometimes I do better than others, but my general curve always trends upwards over time.

But if someone else does not do that, for me, it is fine.

Also, i do not care about your respect. I care about contributing as much as I can. Any time taken off of the total duty time is merely a side effect of effort, but it is never my goal.

And if that is difficult for you, again, you can kick, leave, or attempt to continue.

[Vahlnir]

Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to finish that duty. And not everyone has much time to play. +15 minutes than "normal" in a duty here, +20 minutes there is already a half an hour.

Exactly. I don't care how skilled or unskilled someone is. I respect and appreciate that they are trying their hardest even if their hardest isn't quite cutting it for the content they're in. And if they seem like they are a nice person, that also helps things. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Today I'm actually having a bit of an off day myself. We all have those. However, I may not tolerate poor performance forever depending on the content, or if I join a farm party that's supposed to be a farm when in actuality it is at best a learning party. lol Joined one of those last night, actually. Gave them a good half an hour to get themselves sorted but it didn't pan out.

[Xtrasweettea]

I disagree with nearly everything you've said here. You can leave, kick, or attempt to continue.

No, I can still can give advice to help everyone meet the assumptions within the contract and future contracts.

Is it better to kick a person failing at a mechanic you can spend 3 minutes explaining (or just copy pasting from a wiki)?

It is better to leave than to say "You can save MP by not spamming Cure 1 to try to get that Cure 2 proc. You have a 85% chance to not proc that."

I may have costed a handful of minutes explaining mechanics or mana saving tips, but I just gave that person accumulated netted time in the future from those tips.

Now, if they or a GCBTW Whiteknight tells me to stop or don't bother at all to try to execute what I have explained, then I can choose to execute my contract termination rights and leave or try to salvage my bottom line and kick the person. Invoices will not get paid, and time is cumulatively lost among everyone within that contract.

I have all of those rights as a contract holder and a player within that DR event. You, someone who I do not have a contract with, has no say.