Can we please delay Savage?

[Enla]

I don't care either way. With that said. I still, after 16 pages, don't understand why having the savage tier release a week later is an issue?

Because 'choice' apparently? Except it's never been actually explained how keeping things the way they are now provides more choice to people or how it benefits anyone beyond some abstract ill-defined point. Just that it 'does'.

[SinisterJoints]

What do you actually lose from this change? What people stand to gain is far more than what people stand to lose. Content creators can tackle the patch and give their diverse audiences better content, crafters and gatherers have breathing room to prepare for raid without it interferring with the world first race. Raiders participating in the world first race actually get to enjoy normal mode and use it to speculate and strategize savage.

Bear in mind that what is being asked for is not even as harsh as what we saw in edensgate, deltascape and gordias (yes, this isn't a new concept).

So I ask you, what do you lose from this change? Sounds to me that for someone who hates people rushing content, you sure want to rush right into savage once you are done with normal mode right away. Why don't you participate in all the other content provided?

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

When did I say I hated rushing content? I never did. everyone who says it needs to change is saying they have to rush content and thats why it needs changing. But nobody can tell me WHY you need to rush when the content comes? I don't need to rush and if you arent going for world first then you dont either. Some of you are CHOOSING to rush. and that is my point.

Why do you think I dont participate in the content? im almost max accross the board, quite literally have 3 jobs left on my main. Regardless...

This is has been my point from the get go and it was met with the same amount of "venom" that a few have been saying I'm spitting. *shrug*

[Satarn]

How is your opinion more weighted then others'

It is not and Aurelius never said it should be. What gives weight to this specific opinion is that it seems to be shared by the majority - that's how democracy works. If anything it is you who seems to think you matter enough to deny what most are requesting.

You can't sit and say "i wash my hand of this forum because they don't agree"

"The forum" isn't disagreeing though - it's just the few like you who keep coming back to the thread, just to say "no" over and over again. Most people seem to write "yes, I support this" and then move on - like the very next comment under what I'm replying to.

[Valorak]

It is not and Aurelius never said it should be. What gives weight to this specific opinion is that it seems to be shared by the majority - that's how democracy works. If anything it is you who seems to think you matter enough to deny what most are requesting.



"The forum" isn't disagreeing though - it's just the few like you who keep coming back to the thread, just to say "no" over and over again. Most people seem to write "yes, I support this" and then move on - like the very next comment under what I'm replying to.

I don't think there's much use in trying to argue who has the majority.

The devs are really the only ones with enough player-metrics to make an accurate guess as to whether or not the majority would prefer this or not. While they might get some idea from this thread, it's still a very small pool of people (almost 70 likes on the OP atm, out of how many people that do Savage?) Plus we're also only talking about people on the English forums. They'd probably have to use an in-game poll if they really wanted accurate data on this.

Not that they need to decide based off of the rule of majority. FFXIV is not a democracy. The dev team gets to do whatever they deem to be the best course of action.

[Kraniel]

You can't expect a company to cater to every whim. Lets not make this already short competition even more shorter and bland, as I said people who can't concede and make sacrifice aren't ready to compete for a first wolrd down anyway.

And in my opinion if you're worried about extra competition (should Savage raids be delayed by a week), you're not truly ready to compete for a first world down either.

I agree with you saying that players who don't have an ultra competitive mindset won't get the first world clear anyway, but it doesn't invalidate their point at all.

[SaberMaxwell]

Your point being ?

I don't care about streaming but its seem quite obvious a team trying to be the first in the world to beat a content to don't show how they do it to their rivals because they are in a competition

You don't say. So then explain the next quote, which was your entry to the thread and what many could consider your thesis statement:

Its actualy a bit more interesting to see each team putting their strategy in to motion ASAP

They're obviously not streaming, so you're obviously not seeing it. How do any of their habits affect you whatsoever, beyond the warm fuzzy feeling inside that 8 people are personally contracted to make gear for 8 other people, all 16 of which completely unrelated to you?

, you know what, one more argument about how streaming isn't an argument for delaying content : If you let for the world to see your strategies you clearly aren't serious about being first, so what is the point of doing this first week or later ?

World First =/= Week One.

And the point? What's the point of anything, ever? It's what we agreed to, and what we wanted to do. That doesn't mean the current systems in place aren't annoying and rigid especially when the first tier of every expansion is free of them.

"But I'm a paying customer I'm entitled to ask anything" No, you are not. You pay to acces the data of the game, wich they provide.

As a paying customer, I can use their forums provided exclusively to paying customers in the interest of receiving feedback on the game to ask for anything. You, as another paying customer, are free to use the forums provided solely to paying customers, to disagree with me, and that is fine. Whether they provide is up to them.

A static reaching for the world first don't need any delay, they organised themselves, they gathered anything that may be of use if not everything just in case, they stacked materia, foods, prepared teams and assigned crafters to support them. Its a competitive mindset and not the casual competitive one, if you think that a mere delay will give you a shot at it you clearly don't have a clue about the league you stepped in.

1) Sure, they don't need a delay. But plenty want one. Sebazy is a well known former world prog raider, and she's in this very thread asking for that very thing.

2) I never claimed I was aiming for world prog, nor that that was ever my team's goal. If we were going to aim for that, we would have all booked a timeslot and ran 16h days; because of the short notice Square gave, in addition to our own team's goals, we instead opted to only run 30h for the week. On day 1, we had to sacrifice an entire hour because of the players who'd just gotten home and needed to do NM; it wasn't even a question of getting gear since myself and two other members geared and outfitted the whole static with our own days off. Losing an hour or so to Eden wasn't necessarily a fun prospect, though.

3) This isn't only about world racers because they're not the only ones affected; week firsters are too. If we're gonna talk what "league" I'm in, I'd say I'm generally a week firster given my results in Eden's Gate Savage and sub-100h prog time for TEA. I very much do believe a one-week delay would have given me all the room I needed to slide in for a week 1 savage kill of Eden's Verse. At the very least, having to take time out before even being able to access Savage in the first place did not help us out much in our endeavors.

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

Nope. TEA World First, for example, started with everyone 100% prepped with gear, food and potions before the fight even launched; what's more, when it did launch they could go straight into it without story mode, and it was a much tighter competition (until TPS pulled a miracle from the aether and bigbrained an incredibly cryptic mechanic).

[Lastelli]

Wouldn't the "prep" time kind of cheapen/trivialize the whole world first race anyways? Isn't that part of the thrill? How fast can you come together as a team and get through the content. It was back when 2.0 launched when I actually tried for world first.

This doesn't really mean much when HC parties have an army of crafters and gatherers that prepare their gear (materia melding included) while they're clearing the first 2 turns (that can be easily cleared with the previous BiS gear). The current state just hinders midcore parties that want to, say, start tackling the new content on patch day and have to rush the normal mode raid when some members get off work.

[Poison_Rose]

I like the idea of delaying the 2nd / 3rd tier of savage for a week. Not having to rush through the story and skip parts of it when I get home from work sounds wonderful.

[Hysterior]

I think they should delay by a week as well.

By now, they know that there is a race for world first for each savage content.
The raid itself should be the start of the race. You should not have to go through multiple quests and such beforehand.
Release the normal mode so people can watch the story unfold and release the raid quest a week later, simple unlock. Patch and go.
Heck, even 3 days later would probably do.

That way crafter have done their jobs, teams could theorize on mechanics beforehand.

Only (major) drawbacks is probably that a full week give too much time for dataminers to probably figure out all the mechanics which skews the race.

[Satarn]

Only (major) drawbacks is probably that a full week give too much time for dataminers to probably figure out all the mechanics which skews the race.

That's a valid concern, but they could probably just make the savage-specific files part of the patch that unlocks it, rather than bundling it together with everything else. It is good to point out such things however, so if devs were to listen to this request they know what to consider.