Can we please delay Savage?

[Barraind]

SE clearly cares about people being ready for savage content since they delay the first savage specifically to let players have more time to enjoy the MSQ and other activities before diving into savage raids.

Doing this for the first savage only is frankly a little incoherent.

There is no required MSQ between the first and third raid tiers. There is no "I have to have level appropriate gear" grind between the first and third raid tiers.

The first tier is already nonsensically staggered since normal doesnt release with the expansion launch anyway. If anything, it should have its pointless gating removed and savage should launch day 1 of the raids.

Time-gating content in MMO's has always been nonsense. If you have it ready for release, release it.

[Vahlnir]

There is no required MSQ between the first and third raid tiers. There is no "I have to have level appropriate gear" grind between the first and third raid tiers.

The first tier is already nonsensically staggered since normal doesnt release with the expansion launch anyway. If anything, it should have its pointless gating removed and savage should launch day 1 of the raids.

Time-gating content in MMO's has always been nonsense. If you have it ready for release, release it.

Time gating is useful in the right places at the right times. As to the delay or lack of a delay to Savage? Eh, I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter either way. But if it is indeed ready then yeah, they mightaswell just release the thing.

[ErryK]

The mere fact this topic was made seems to indicate they don't care as much as you seem to think they do.

Please don't speak for Square Enix on their behalf, thanks.

[Fynlar]

Time-gating content in MMO's has always been nonsense. If you have it ready for release, release it.

This.

Stop expecting SE to delay their content just because your own raid groups are impatient to clear. Either you deal with it, or find another raid group willing to go at a pace you'd prefer. Don't punish everyone else just because you'd rather take it slower.

Please don't speak for Square Enix on their behalf, thanks.

The post I was responding to was doing the exact same thing, so uhh... go bother them instead, thanks.

[ErryK]

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But I asked you so... yeah.

[Fynlar]

But I asked you so... yeah. 8)

If you're not going to be impartial, I can only assume you don't have a serious argument. I guess we're done here.

This keeps being brought up, thus please explain how anyone is punished were Savage delayed by a week or even a couple days. Such a delay only impacts hardcore or World racing groups as anyone else will not be clearing quickly enough for it to matter.

Content being purposely and arbitrarily delayed results in having to wait longer to experience new content. Isn't the source of disappointment obvious? Have you not ever had some game, movie, TV show, or whatever delayed and experienced disappointment because you were anticipating it?

Experiencing new content is not all about getting the clear. For many people having a new raid simply represents having something new to do in the game, even if they aren't winning it right away.

Considering those players are the ones asking for this delay, how exactly are they being punished?

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

[Penthea]

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

Anyone who can't wait one extra week is way too impatient. We already wait several months for content. Certainly competitive players who finish tiers early wait a super long time until new hardcore content comes to the game. If they can wait several months, then they can easily wait one more week. It's not that big a deal.

What is a big deal though is forcing your hardcore playerbase to get all their stuff together in one day, and anyone who dares to have life things like a job or an education are automatically at a disadvantage because they can't no-life a game for an entire day on a weekday.

Delaying savage by a week puts hardcore teams on more equal footing, while also allowing them to have time to enjoy the other patch content and prepare for hardcore content without needing to rush like crazy and skip things.

Most hardcore players enjoy many types of content. Why not let them do that in a way that doesn't interfere with their savage progress? Everyone benefits from this.

[Barraind]

Time gating is useful in the right places at the right times

In theory, sure.

In practice, you get stuff like:

Shadows of Luclin having multiple key grinds to unlock other key grinds because VT wasnt actually ready to be released, but they couldnt say that.

Raids in Wrath of the Lich King having multiple time gates despite every fight being ready because the devs were afraid they didnt tune things to be difficult enough and they didnt want an extra few weeks to months of each tier of gear floating around.

Hard/Savage/Extreme/whatever modes having weeks to months of time-gating because devs need it to last to the start of the next raid tier.


When my raid week is 75 minutes two days a week because you gated all the new stuff so I dont finish a legendary axe in 2 weeks, you need to just staaaahp.

[SinisterJoints]

In theory, sure.

In practice, you get stuff like:

Shadows of Luclin having multiple key grinds to unlock other key grinds because VT wasnt actually ready to be released, but they couldnt say that.

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God to have MMO's like EQ was again... A man can dream. VT easily one of my favorite raid zones.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

+1 to the staggered release from me.

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

Currently any week 1 raider is more or less required or encouraged to skip the Eden story otherwise they may miss out on that week 1 kill. As for why they want to kill week 1 is no one elses business, maybe they find it fun, maybe they get a sense of achievement, maybe they just want to down the tier as fast as possible. Shouldn't we be encouraging the change so that everyone can enjoy the story? And so that crafters and gatherers have time to aid the week 1 teams and have to put the entire patch on hold for the 1st couple days while they do nothing but craft instead of enjoy the patch?

Why are people against this. It's nothing but a good thing. We all wait 2 weeks after normal mode releases at expac launch so that we can enjoy the story. So why the sudden opposition for the 2nd and 3rd tier. Some people are just playing devil's advocate here while offering very little valid reasons to not delay other than "just because".

Hope this gets implemented so that everyone can enjoy the story together.